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JayBird
Junior Member
You really scared me for a minute there with all the STD collection documents there.This is a collection of the Chinese equivalent of "MIL-STD" documents. We've seen some excerpts of the one on the new VLC system. Does anyone have excerpts from other documents in the collection?
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This just come by that does magnetic probe (the needle thing at rear end of an ASuW aircraft like p-3c and gx-6) works against titanium hull of an Alfa class submarine?
Also @by78 I wonder where did you get this pic caused whoever took this picture must be very resourceful. Resourceful enough to put mil-std of nuclear weapon, tactical ballistic missile, satellite, aircraft and helicopter all on the same table. Hell if the cold war is still on he would spend most of his time in a bunker or something.
Also @by78 I wonder where did you get this pic caused whoever took this picture must be very resourceful. Resourceful enough to put mil-std of nuclear weapon, tactical ballistic missile, satellite, aircraft and helicopter all on the same table. Hell if the cold war is still on he would spend most of his time in a bunker or something.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Why the sudden hurry? Is china planning on going to war with the us tomorrow? I must have missed that memo lol
No the idea of building hundreds of SSNs or SSKs to form some sort of an impenetrable screen is borderline ridiculous. Common man!
The amount of time and resources to built those hundreds would be better spent on improving their SSBN fleet.
Plan doesn't need to match the sophistication level of western SSBNs all they need is to make one quiet enough just to last long enough to launch. That's it.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
What exactly will be the political ramifications if the Chinese are to stop building their sea deterrence and start putting nuclear weapons in orbit instead?
Are their treaties besides OST to which China is signatory?
Are their treaties besides OST to which China is signatory?
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Don't take this personally, but that is a silly idea. It is a strategy only suitable for a second tier world power with zero hope of ever catching up to international standards, ever.
It might take a while for China, but every time they introduce a new class, the gap is narrowed.
China isn't expecting or preparing for imminent war, so wasting vast amounts of resources building huge numbers of midget subs makes zero sense.
The strategy you suggest is more suitable for North Korea or Iran, and is amusingly enough, similar to the strategies they themselves are actually employing, only with midget conventional subs rather than nuclear. Is that where you got the idea?
The optimal strategy for China is the one China is currently pursuing - building small batches per class and rapidly moving from class to class, making improvements every time. It may take time, but China is in no hurry as Beijing and most of the world firmly believe time is very much on China's side.
In the meantime, China already could effect a sort of effective deterrence strategy with is large, modern SSK fleets. They don't have 10 times the USN sub fleet, but then only the most "optimistic" souls on earth would think a USN SSN could kill 10 PLAN Songs or Yuans before going down itself, especially if the PLAN employ wolf pack tactics.
In the medium term, China could easily achieve swarm numbers and employ swarm tactics not with midget subs, but with unmanned underwater combat verhicles (UUCVs).
That is the only scenario under which the tactics and exchange rates you suggest would be acceptable to modern China.
I remember reading that Japan tried something similar in WWII, A few mini subs were deployed in the attack on Pearl harbor. But instead of defense, the idea was an offence using midget subs with the idea that they would be able to sneak past defenses and deliver their torpedoes.
But they weren't effective
But they weren't effective
Ultra
Junior Member
I think the recent US "reorientation" of its force towards pacific is one indication, with its more and more aggressive posture towards China and aggressive provocations (flying military spy planes over its base), it seems US is gearing up for a fight.
The other factor is Taiwan. With the presidential election coming up next year with KMT facing a complete wipe out and DPP a guarantee win, there is a high possibility it could provoke a conflict and escalate into a full blown war.
For the US and Japan, China right now is a emergent threat that can be deal with, instead of an existential threat that has to live with. And both US and Japan knows what button to press to get China into a war early. Right now I don't think China is anywhere prepared for it.
Ultra
Junior Member
Perhaps, that's assuming China doesn't go into war with US and Japan and its allies in the next few years. Of course I would agree if there is no immediate threat of war the current strategy would be most optimal for China, but the problem is there may be a high possibility of war in the next few years.
For the US and Japan, China right now is a emergent threat that can be deal with, instead of an existential threat that has to live with.
Right now, China has 62 active in total:
- (NATO designation unknown) - 1 completed to enter service. Unknown number planned.
- (NATO designation Shang-class) - 2 in active service. 4 more to enter service.
- (NATO designation Han-class) - 3 in active service.
- (NATO designation Yuan-class) - 13 in active service. 7 more under construction.
- (NATO designation Song-class) - 13 in active service.
- (NATO designation Kilo-class) - 12 in active service.
- (NATO designation Ming-class) - 17 in active service.
- (NATO designation Qing-class) - 1 in service, as a test-bed for new technologies.
USN has 57 active in total:
- (11 in commission, 5 under construction, 2 on order) —
- (3 in commission) — attack submarines
- (43 in commission, 2 in reserve) — attack submarines
- (6 in commission, 5 more to be commissioned) —
- (10 in commission) — attack submarines
And I havn't even start counting Taiwan, Australia, South Korea's sub fleets. China's sub fleet is both inferior technologically, and numerically. Not to mention US and Japan holds absolute superiority on anti-submarine warfare in this arena, which would further enlarge this gap enormously.
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
I personally don't think there is a high chance of war anytime soon or even in the foreseeable future regardless of the political situation in Taiwan or Japan so I'm not sure where you're getting your speculative statement from.
Besides I think we're all veering very close to offending forum rules so maybe we need to get back to taking just SSNs and such and not swarming tactics to overcome Jmsdf or uspacflt in hypothetical wars lol.
Besides I think we're all veering very close to offending forum rules so maybe we need to get back to taking just SSNs and such and not swarming tactics to overcome Jmsdf or uspacflt in hypothetical wars lol.