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Just Hatched
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What do letters A and V stand for in DAP and DVP cartridge designations? D is Dan (standard) and P is Putong (ammo)..
 

sabiothailand

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Alright, guess it's my turn.
So, whenever I browse about Chinese firearms on various forums, there'll always be people who have to point out that the Chinese rip off other firearms.
Like how the QJY-201 allegedly ripped off the M249, or how the QBU-10 ripped off the Barrett.

I want to ask, is it okay for armed forces around the world to make clones/copies of other firearms?
Do people always just need to come up with an original design all the time?
 

A potato

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Alright, guess it's my turn.
So, whenever I browse about Chinese firearms on various forums, there'll always be people who have to point out that the Chinese rip off other firearms.
Like how the QJY-201 allegedly ripped off the M249, or how the QBU-10 ripped off the Barrett.

I want to ask, is it okay for armed forces around the world to make clones/copies of other firearms?
Do people always just need to come up with an original design all the time?
I guess people forget that miltiaries always copy each other. Like the danes copied the german flecktarn, the brits copied the MP28 in WW2 etc.
 

sabiothailand

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I guess people forget that miltiaries always copy each other. Like the danes copied the german flecktarn, the brits copied the MP28 in WW2 etc.
I noticed that those militaries copied designs due to their needs for newer, better weapons.
But this is the reason why this kind of stuck with me.
China's military and its industry is pretty advanced in various factors, plus they already have their own original weapon counterparts that work well on its own, such as the QJY-88 Machine gun and the CS/LR13 High-Caliber sniper rifle.

So that sparked a question for me: Why does China need to replicate Western weapons when they have their own weapons that are good enough and could be improved upon?
 

A potato

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I noticed that those militaries copied designs due to their needs for newer, better weapons.
But this is the reason why this kind of stuck with me.
China's military and its industry is pretty advanced in various factors, plus they already have their own original weapon counterparts that work well on its own, such as the QJY-88 Machine gun and the CS/LR13 High-Caliber sniper rifle.

So that sparked a question for me: Why does China need to replicate Western weapons when they have their own weapons that are good enough and could be improved upon?
Well it's cheaper and more efficient than taking the time and resources to develop and equvilent of it.
 

gelgoog

Brigadier
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So, whenever I browse about Chinese firearms on various forums, there'll always be people who have to point out that the Chinese rip off other firearms.
Like how the QJY-201 allegedly ripped off the M249, or how the QBU-10 ripped off the Barrett.
The QJY-201 uses 7.62x51mm. That is a rifle round. So if it ripped off anything it would have been the FN Minimini.
The M249 wasn't even designed by a US firearms company. It was designed by a Belgian company. It is funny how Americans always claim to come up with everything.

I want to ask, is it okay for armed forces around the world to make clones/copies of other firearms?
All countries have provisions in law where intellectual property rights can be ignored if it is for defense purposes.
 

lcloo

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Many English speaking members may be confused by China's armed forces's title PLA - People's Liberation Army. Specifically the word "Army". There is PL Army Airforce, PL Army Navy , PL Army Rocket Forces etc.

Many of first generation leaders of PRC had their higher education in France, including Zhou En Lai and Deng Xiao Ping. And they were fluent in French language more than their proficiency in English.

In Chinese the word for "Army" as in PLA, is 军 which in English should be "Military". However as in France's Armee de L'Air, Armee or Army in this case is an all encomposing word that is defined as "military" that included air force, navy and other branches of military.

The only question that need an answer is who coined the English words People's Liberation Army? Was it the English speaking foreign journalists during the Chinese Civil war or from the Chinese Red Amy?
 
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