Sorry the answer might be obvious to some of you, but what are those tiny flaps at the end of the engine nozzle? For some reason, only the top half of the flaps are flipped inwards. Thanks.
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I believe they deflect the thrust, in this case it looks like the thrust is directed downwards.
I think it always ends up getting too "wild" and shutdown. Doubt we will see that thread again unless there is some mod that handles the eventual mess or we see operations really happening.
Ah I c, can imagine that lol.
Guys, which are the largest chinese-language defence sites currently? I heard there was a crackdown earlier this year and cjdby seems to be gone? I haven't visited any Chinese forums in many years and recently logged back into my haohanfw account, that forum seems to be still fairly active but small. So which ones are the main ones now?
It looks like this could be a more real thing in the future that some want to think:
This NFC microchip nonsense, I think, is doomed. Given current facial recognition technology and the fact that everyone has a smartphone today it is pointless.
Hi guys. I am still new here(aka a noob lol) and still can't create threads, and I'm not sure where this would go or if it's been asked or discussed already so I'll ask it here. Hope I'm not breaking any rules by being off topic and asking too many random noob questions something.
What technology, equipment, vehicles, weapons etc do you think china should be prioritizing and getting more of(or finishing R&D ASAP and getting some if they don't have any at all)? For the above question, assume that it will be used for Taiwan or SCS scenarios.
What do you guys think about VTOL, and in particular ones that can change like Ospreys/F35B, especially in relation for use with LHD like on type 75s, and also how it would relate to chinas overall doctrines and existing style?
China currently has 3 type 75, anyone know how many they are gonna get, and how many do you guys think they should be getting? What do you guys think about that and how many do you think china should get, along with carriers also? Unless china gets a lot more of them along with carriers, wouldn't china be at a disadvantage fighting and taking on usa or anyone anywhere in the world, but especially in SCS and inside firs1¹¹ things instead? If yes then what should china prioritize? Like here's an example. If china had even more LHD, and massive numbers of Y20's couldn't china just make a mockery of island nations like Indonesia who has heaps of islands and not enough transports of their own? Hate to say it because usa and West did it to china in the past, but gunboat diplomacy
I remember hearing that they were gonna be used with drones also(and catapult system to launch heavier drones/payloads?). Im thinking drones and ai and remote control are the future of warfare and china should be mass producing and prioritizing stuff like this over manned systems/weapons(like manned attack helicopters that can be easily taken down by manpads, and then allowing these "guerillas" to disappear back again into the mountains.. loitering drones would stop that kinda shit imo).
Also, I don't know why we have remote control dronecopters(like DJI ones), but we don't have massive ones for attack helicopter role that can be piloted remotely(like how the smaller civilian DJI style dronecopters already are, or bigger drones like the ones usa has been using to bomb weddings and schools and hospitals for the last 20 years and counting now), considering how dangerous and risky any attack helicopter assault missions would be. If we had remote dronecopters along with other loitering drones, and they are all networked and can provide targeting for bigger missiles/bombs launched from big warships, heavy bombers, etc etc. That's what I see drones as the most useful for. Reconnaissance and targeting of risky and dangerous areas, and if needed be they can also take out armor and force infantry to have to stay hidden and be spread out and not be able to group up in numbers to fight frontal conventional attacks(like if china air dropped troops in). I don't think Taiwan can fight china head on at all even if china air dropped some troops in. They'd just be quickly wiped out via missiles from the sky, seas and even mainland and just blown away if they bunched up and tried to attack those air dropped troops in numbers. Loitering drones would give china all the edge they need. I think every squad should have some DJI kinda light recon drone, and if necessary, that drone can also be used to fly and drop hand grenades and also can do a kamikaze suicide attack.. infantry squads having access to such small recon drones would change everything for them imo. Especially fighting vs enemy in rough terrain like mountains where it's easier to hit and run and hide. But with cheap ubiquitous drones, destroying one will only bring two-four more to your area and give away your positions.
Should china be developing and improving on this tech asap or are there other more urgent things that china needs and should be investing/buying/researching on? If yes, what?
Does anyone know what usa primarily uses them for and what's their doctrine that makes them prefer ospreys compared to normal attack helicopters like what china uses? I know they are faster and have more range, but is that it? The also have less firepower compared with attack helicopters right? Would china be using ospreys or equivalent if china had them? Of course I've heard all the bad stories about them from being hard to maintain, to them being flying coffins. They aren't used did attack at all right? So what is the point of usa using them on their LHDs? Do they really need the speed and distance? If yes for what? Aren't ospreys basically just unarmed transports? Seems like they are very fragile and some small arms bullets into the rotors will make the whole thing crash.
To me it seems like china doesn't really care much about VTOL planes/jets and is fine with just helicopters. Anyone know why? I guess that is the norm, and usa is the exception with f35b, along with the British and the OG VTOL Plane, the harrier. No one else has that technology currently right? Has Russia got this tech and do they use it on anything?
Personally I think china should get hundreds more Y20 and increase that power projection range. All will be air refuellable (because why not). All of china's armed forces (army, navy, air forces) should be able to airdrop as paratroopers.. I think all normal soldiers should be taught how to do so, even border guards, military police or militia, basically everyone who has a gun and trains to use a gun). I mean how hard can it be? Isn't it like riding a bike, and once you know how, you will know it FOREVER and there's no need for regular continuous training? China should also do an inventory of civilian/merchant transporters, which can also be used in any Taiwan amphibious assault catch usa and everyone off guard.
Of course china should keep on researching for better engines for more range and power. The more and further they can carry the better.
Also can someone tell me the difference between H6(and it's variants) vs Y20? Couldn't Y20(and variants) do everything H6 does if they really wanted to and they redesigned the Y20 for bomber duties, kinda like how usa still uses the B-52?? Doesn't Y20 carry more weight and have more space for bombs/missiles etc??:
Oh just remembered. How many posts or what do I need to do in order to be able to create threads? I probably wouldn't even be asking all these questions here if i could create my own thread.
Anyway, that's all for now. However.. if I think of any more random noobie questions, then I will probably keep asking them here unless someone directs me to a better thread.
Thanks in advance for reading and answering my random noobie questions.
What technology, equipment, vehicles, weapons etc do you think china should be prioritizing and getting more of(or finishing R&D ASAP and getting some if they don't have any at all)? For the above question, assume that it will be used for Taiwan or SCS scenarios.
What do you guys think about VTOL, and in particular ones that can change like Ospreys/F35B, especially in relation for use with LHD like on type 75s, and also how it would relate to chinas overall doctrines and existing style?
China currently has 3 type 75, anyone know how many they are gonna get, and how many do you guys think they should be getting? What do you guys think about that and how many do you think china should get, along with carriers also? Unless china gets a lot more of them along with carriers, wouldn't china be at a disadvantage fighting and taking on usa or anyone anywhere in the world, but especially in SCS and inside firs1¹¹ things instead? If yes then what should china prioritize? Like here's an example. If china had even more LHD, and massive numbers of Y20's couldn't china just make a mockery of island nations like Indonesia who has heaps of islands and not enough transports of their own? Hate to say it because usa and West did it to china in the past, but gunboat diplomacy
I remember hearing that they were gonna be used with drones also(and catapult system to launch heavier drones/payloads?). Im thinking drones and ai and remote control are the future of warfare and china should be mass producing and prioritizing stuff like this over manned systems/weapons(like manned attack helicopters that can be easily taken down by manpads, and then allowing these "guerillas" to disappear back again into the mountains.. loitering drones would stop that kinda shit imo).
Also, I don't know why we have remote control dronecopters(like DJI ones), but we don't have massive ones for attack helicopter role that can be piloted remotely(like how the smaller civilian DJI style dronecopters already are, or bigger drones like the ones usa has been using to bomb weddings and schools and hospitals for the last 20 years and counting now), considering how dangerous and risky any attack helicopter assault missions would be. If we had remote dronecopters along with other loitering drones, and they are all networked and can provide targeting for bigger missiles/bombs launched from big warships, heavy bombers, etc etc. That's what I see drones as the most useful for. Reconnaissance and targeting of risky and dangerous areas, and if needed be they can also take out armor and force infantry to have to stay hidden and be spread out and not be able to group up in numbers to fight frontal conventional attacks(like if china air dropped troops in). I don't think Taiwan can fight china head on at all even if china air dropped some troops in. They'd just be quickly wiped out via missiles from the sky, seas and even mainland and just blown away if they bunched up and tried to attack those air dropped troops in numbers. Loitering drones would give china all the edge they need. I think every squad should have some DJI kinda light recon drone, and if necessary, that drone can also be used to fly and drop hand grenades and also can do a kamikaze suicide attack.. infantry squads having access to such small recon drones would change everything for them imo. Especially fighting vs enemy in rough terrain like mountains where it's easier to hit and run and hide. But with cheap ubiquitous drones, destroying one will only bring two-four more to your area and give away your positions.
Should china be developing and improving on this tech asap or are there other more urgent things that china needs and should be investing/buying/researching on? If yes, what?
Does anyone know what usa primarily uses them for and what's their doctrine that makes them prefer ospreys compared to normal attack helicopters like what china uses? I know they are faster and have more range, but is that it? The also have less firepower compared with attack helicopters right? Would china be using ospreys or equivalent if china had them? Of course I've heard all the bad stories about them from being hard to maintain, to them being flying coffins. They aren't used did attack at all right? So what is the point of usa using them on their LHDs? Do they really need the speed and distance? If yes for what? Aren't ospreys basically just unarmed transports? Seems like they are very fragile and some small arms bullets into the rotors will make the whole thing crash.
To me it seems like china doesn't really care much about VTOL planes/jets and is fine with just helicopters. Anyone know why? I guess that is the norm, and usa is the exception with f35b, along with the British and the OG VTOL Plane, the harrier. No one else has that technology currently right? Has Russia got this tech and do they use it on anything?
Personally I think china should get hundreds more Y20 and increase that power projection range. All will be air refuellable (because why not). All of china's armed forces (army, navy, air forces) should be able to airdrop as paratroopers.. I think all normal soldiers should be taught how to do so, even border guards, military police or militia, basically everyone who has a gun and trains to use a gun). I mean how hard can it be? Isn't it like riding a bike, and once you know how, you will know it FOREVER and there's no need for regular continuous training? China should also do an inventory of civilian/merchant transporters, which can also be used in any Taiwan amphibious assault catch usa and everyone off guard.
Of course china should keep on researching for better engines for more range and power. The more and further they can carry the better.
Also can someone tell me the difference between H6(and it's variants) vs Y20? Couldn't Y20(and variants) do everything H6 does if they really wanted to and they redesigned the Y20 for bomber duties, kinda like how usa still uses the B-52?? Doesn't Y20 carry more weight and have more space for bombs/missiles etc??:
Oh just remembered. How many posts or what do I need to do in order to be able to create threads? I probably wouldn't even be asking all these questions here if i could create my own thread.
Anyway, that's all for now. However.. if I think of any more random noobie questions, then I will probably keep asking them here unless someone directs me to a better thread.
Thanks in advance for reading and answering my random noobie questions.
China needs a large amount of nuclear attack and strategic submarines. They also need to continue building more helicopters.
I think the Osprey is a useful transport aircraft to use in the Pacific. Helicopters are not fast enough for troop transfers across such wide distances. I have a poor view with regards to the viability of the F-35B however. VTOL kills usable payload and you end up with an aircraft which will only be usable for air-to-air operations.
I think China will get three supercarriers. China will get at least six LHDs. Since that is the number of LHDs Japan and South Korea have.
China's naval posture unlike what US analysts say does not seem to aim for global dominance but to keep parity with US aligned naval forces in the Pacific.
China has no plans to use its naval forces to invade other countries. Military force could be used for the annexation of Taiwan.
The Chinese Navy will, however, start defending Chinese interests if the US or its allies decide to attack Chinese merchant ships.
That would be the rumored Type 076. But there is no evidence of it being in production.
Drones also have their issues. As technology improves they will become more capable but it might take a decade for this to happen.
A remote controlled drone needs a video feed and bandwidth and latency limitations mean you will have limited perception and response time. As AI techniques improve the drone itself will become able to process the video feed and mark targets and only send those back to the drone operator so he will have less sensory overload and decrease response time.
Yes after Syria and Nagorno-Karabakh conflict loitering drones and suicide drones seem to have come more into wide use.
China's technological base currently is not good enough to start a project like replicating the V-22 Osprey. They will need turboshaft engines with twice the power of current engines. China will also have to consider if they want to replicate its complex hydraulics or use electrical systems to do the same purpose.
That is about it yes. They are also way more expensive and somewhat more failure prone than helicopters. They are also less suitable for operations in unprepared airfields. Because the rotor is smaller and has more RPM than the one in a helicopter it kicks up more dust and does more turbulence while landing or taking off. Given current US procurement programs there are proposals in the US to use similar technology to replace the entire US helicopter fleet. The V-280 Valor is one example. It remains to be seen what aircraft will win the competitions though.
There is no reason why a VTOL should have less firepower than a helicopter. The VTOL will however be a lot heavier than a similar attack helicopter and you will have to cut down on armor protection to compensate for the increase in weight. The question is if the speed advantage compensates for this or not. I doubt it does. It seems more suitable for transport between prepared pads than anything else.
China has an early Harrier in a museum in Beijing. So they certainly looked into that technology at one point. The Soviets had the Yak-141 but it never entered service and the prototype was never completed. Yak-141 also used an engine project which is basically dead. After WS-15 engine is available it will the possible to consider a project like this. But I am not certain it will be much use. If you can put EMALS on a 40,000ton light carrier without issue why bother with low performance VTOL aircraft?
They are different aircraft. Some countries use transport aircraft to drop bombs out of the ramp in the back in some situations but a transport aircraft airframe is not optimal for a bomber.
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