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IDonT

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I guess the USN got their arsenal ship with the SSGN.
I think those ships carry more than 200 tomahawk cruise missiles.
 

MIGleader

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bd popeye said:
I've been having diffculty posting on this site. Sorry for my lack of response.



Yes F-15 and B-1 wings are on Guam on a rotationg basis from their bases in the US. Along with KC-10 tankers. If any air force could accomplish the task of re-fueling anywhere ,anytime the USAF could.

I doubt if the Japanese would balk at more USAF planes on Okinawa in the advent of a crisis in the Tiawan straits. But did you know that the governor of Okinawa is trying to kick the US military off Okinawa? Stupid on his part.

As for the USN SSGN program the information on that is schetchy at best. Presently the USN has 16 SSBN's....

i doubt any country like foreign troops on it's soil. it makes the insecure. why cant he just do it? doeas Us own rights to the island?
 

IDonT

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MIGleader said:
i doubt any country like foreign troops on it's soil. it makes the insecure. why cant he just do it? doeas Us own rights to the island?


The US govt, captured the Island from Japan in WWII. Japanese govt, does not have the backbone to kick the US out.
 

Neko

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MIGleader said:
i doubt any country like foreign troops on it's soil. it makes the insecure. why cant he just do it? doeas Us own rights to the island?


That's a hard one to explain. Consider it a territory of the US.
 

Totoro

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Hm, this is getting heated. But what i was actually reffering to were the other bases, on japan's mainland, that could perhaps be used by US. I'm taking for granted that okinawa would be a place to launch attacks, no matter what japan says. Where exactly is USN fleet in japan stationed?
 

adeptitus

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bd popeye said:
I doubt if the Japanese would balk at more USAF planes on Okinawa in the advent of a crisis in the Tiawan straits. But did you know that the governor of Okinawa is trying to kick the US military off Okinawa? Stupid on his part.

As governor of Okiwana, Mr. Inamine is serving the will of the Ryukyuan people, and not of mainland Japan.

The economic dependency on US military bases, measured by % of gross perfectual expenditure of Okiwana, has declined from 15.6% in 1972 to ~5% today. 78% of all US military basis in Japan are in Okinawa, occupying 30% of the Okiwanan prefecture land.

From a self-interest point of view, there is little to gain for Okinawans to keep the US basis on their island(s) when its economic benefits have declined by 2/3rds over the past 3 decades.
 

adeptitus

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IDonT said:
The US govt, captured the Island from Japan in WWII. Japanese govt, does not have the backbone to kick the US out.

No, the Tokyo government of mainland Japan does want to keep the US bases, just not on mainland Japan. There's a phrase called NIMBY - "Not In My Back Yard". Since 78% of all US bases in Japan are off on the Okinawan islands, it's out of sight and out of mind for Tokyo.

Now if all the American military bases were situated next to Tokyo, it'd have been a different story.
 

sumdud

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bd popeye said:
I've been having diffculty posting on this site. Sorry for my lack of response.



Yes F-15 and B-1 wings are on Guam on a rotationg basis from their bases in the US. Along with KC-10 tankers. If any air force could accomplish the task of re-fueling anywhere ,anytime the USAF could.

I doubt if the Japanese would balk at more USAF planes on Okinawa in the advent of a crisis in the Tiawan straits. But did you know that the governor of Okinawa is trying to kick the US military off Okinawa? Stupid on his part.

As for the USN SSGN program the information on that is schetchy at best. Presently the USN has 16 SSBN's....
The Okinawans had long wanted the US out.
 

bd popeye

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adeptitus & Sumdud you are both correct.... To a point.

True that the US Forces on Okinawa have long been a thorn in the side of the Okinawans. There are 23,000 US Marines and suppourting US sailors stationed there.

The economic dependency on US military bases, measured by % of gross perfectual expenditure of Okiwana, has declined from 15.6% in 1972 to ~5% today. 78% of all US military basis in Japan are in Okinawa, occupying 30% of the Okiwanan prefecture land.

When I made my original post I was not thinking of economics. I made no reference to that effect. I was thinking of protection in the event of any conflift in the western Pacific that could threaten Japan and Okinawa.

No, the Tokyo government of mainland Japan does want to keep the US bases, just not on mainland Japan. There's a phrase called NIMBY - "Not In My Back Yard". Since 78% of all US bases in Japan are off on the Okinawan islands, it's out of sight and out of mind for Tokyo

I'm not really sure if this figure,78%, is accurate :confused: . The 7th fleet is statiioned in Yokosuka about 35 miles south of Tokyo. In addition to Yokota(USAF) AB. And another USN base in Sasebo.

The USN has 17 ships homeported on the Japan main island of Honshu. Along with the suppourting aircraft.

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