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Totoro

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bd popeye said:
Don't forget..the PRC would have to contend with the USAF also. Most likely based in Guam. The USAF is currently rotating F-15 and B-1 wings to Guam.

I didn't know f15s were station on guam (i wonder what for) but guam is way too far away for f15s to be really useful. Of course, it'd be one of main stations (Alongside diego garcia) for bomber raids but we're talking almost 3000 km to china, thats just one way trip. Even with in air refuelling itd be a daunting task, especially when you have a much closer okinawa for basing fighters. Even japan itself, if the politics with jap govt can be worked out, is a significantly closer place to launch fighters.

Some of that repair work you mentioned is pretty impressive, very fast. Still, in a light of hundreds of planes ramming i'd say it'd take a long, long time and a billions worth to do the repair. i know i said it's a crazy 'what if' scenario but the more i think of it, i'd say it has better chances of success than any conventional attack strategy that chineses forces today could use. i guess mine is a bit immoral and highly exploitative but hey, nothing's perfect. :D
 

Su-27 Pilot

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bd popeye said:
By the way are you really an Su-27 pilot? Oh yea I was really a USN sailor for 20 years.
My brother is the navigator not the pilot though. I wish someday I can be a pilot in the PLAAF. I just love Su-27 so much.
 

Neko

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A US CV(N) won't be sunk by the PLAN. It can be put in flames, and be knocked out of commission, if everything goes well with the PLAN tactics, and there are no equipment malfunctions, but with the build of a carrier, sinking it would require dozens of torpedoes and missiles.
 

Neko

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Totoro said:
I didn't know f15s were station on guam (i wonder what for) but guam is way too far away for f15s to be really useful. Of course, it'd be one of main stations (Alongside diego garcia) for bomber raids but we're talking almost 3000 km to china, thats just one way trip. Even with in air refuelling itd be a daunting task, especially when you have a much closer okinawa for basing fighters. Even japan itself, if the politics with jap govt can be worked out, is a significantly closer place to launch fighters.

Some of that repair work you mentioned is pretty impressive, very fast. Still, in a light of hundreds of planes ramming i'd say it'd take a long, long time and a billions worth to do the repair. i know i said it's a crazy 'what if' scenario but the more i think of it, i'd say it has better chances of success than any conventional attack strategy that chineses forces today could use. i guess mine is a bit immoral and highly exploitative but hey, nothing's perfect. :D


An F-15 would act as an escort fighter for bombers.
 

MIGleader

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china dosn't need to burn a carrier or sink it. just list it or bamage the deck. china using suicide pilots is an insane idea. it would never happen.
 

sumdud

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Sounds more like a blitz of some sort, bullying the CSG.

It can decimate the fleet, but I doubt it can kill a CVN. You have the armor that it has, the ships around it that you have to deal with first.

China right now do not have a lot of ASM strike planes.

BTW, is the Ohio deployed in Guam one of the SSBNs or SSGNs?
 

Neko

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sumdud said:
Sounds more like a blitz of some sort, bullying the CSG.

It can decimate the fleet, but I doubt it can kill a CVN. You have the armor that it has, the ships around it that you have to deal with first.

China right now do not have a lot of ASM strike planes.

BTW, is the Ohio deployed in Guam one of the SSBNs or SSGNs?


So far as I know, no conversions are completed yet. So, SSBN.
 

IDonT

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Neko said:
So far as I know, no conversions are completed yet. So, SSBN.


Ohio SSGN
USS Ohio (SSBN 726) — Out of service 29 Oct. 2002 for conversion to SSGN, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard
USS Florida (SSBN 728) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for October 2003, Norfolk, Va.
USS Michigan (SSBN 727) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for October 2003
USS Georgia (SSBN 729) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for 2004


I think that is the SSGN Ohio. The US will not forward deploy one of its strategic nuclear assets
 

Neko

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IDonT said:
Ohio SSGN
USS Ohio (SSBN 726) — Out of service 29 Oct. 2002 for conversion to SSGN, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard
USS Florida (SSBN 728) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for October 2003, Norfolk, Va.
USS Michigan (SSBN 727) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for October 2003
USS Georgia (SSBN 729) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for 2004


I think that is the SSGN Ohio. The US will not forward deploy one of its strategic nuclear assets


So you might think. :p
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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I've been having diffculty posting on this site. Sorry for my lack of response.

I didn't know f15s were station on guam (i wonder what for) but guam is way too far away for f15s to be really useful. Of course, it'd be one of main stations (Alongside diego garcia) for bomber raids but we're talking almost 3000 km to china, thats just one way trip. Even with in air refuelling itd be a daunting task, especially when you have a much closer okinawa for basing fighters. Even japan itself, if the politics with jap govt can be worked out, is a significantly closer place to launch fighters

Yes F-15 and B-1 wings are on Guam on a rotationg basis from their bases in the US. Along with KC-10 tankers. If any air force could accomplish the task of re-fueling anywhere ,anytime the USAF could.

I doubt if the Japanese would balk at more USAF planes on Okinawa in the advent of a crisis in the Tiawan straits. But did you know that the governor of Okinawa is trying to kick the US military off Okinawa? Stupid on his part.

As for the USN SSGN program the information on that is schetchy at best. Presently the USN has 16 SSBN's....
 
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