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vincelee

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You think the IN is a "blue water" navy? Let's put it this way, neither navies have the power projection capability to engage the other in any significant context. The IN had to use taiwan's facilities during it's exercise in the south china sea, and just how many Chinese ships can actually get to the bay of bangal with the limited amount of replenishing ships the Chinese have?
 
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IDonT

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vincelee said:
You think the IN is a "blue water" navy? Let's put it this way, neither navies have the power projection capability to engage the other in any significant context. The IN had to use taiwan's facilities during it's exercise in the south china sea, and just how many Chinese ships can actually get to the bay of bangal with the limited amount of replenishing ships the Chinese have?
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You are right. But lets say that both navies are in the middle of an ocean out of range from any land based aircraft and decide to have a battle (unrealistic), IN's carrier capability will give them an edge.
 
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vincelee

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are you suggesting that the surface search range for the Harrier's radar is greater than 200 km? I honestly don't know. Given the limitation imposed by Earth's curvature (no ionosphere bouncing here), the only advantage the Indian carrier provides is the Harriers, as they haven't received the navalized Fulcrums yet.
 
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IDonT

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vincelee said:
are you suggesting that the surface search range for the Harrier's radar is greater than 200 km? I honestly don't know. Given the limitation imposed by Earth's curvature (no ionosphere bouncing here), the only advantage the Indian carrier provides is the Harriers, as they haven't received the navalized Fulcrums yet.
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Don't they have Helo AEW? Its certainly much greater than the surface search capability of a pure SAG.
 
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Lavi

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According to my source (from 2004) the IN has three Ka-31 AEW choppers 'on order'. These would be quite a benefit if Viraat would meet a SAG in open waters.

The Sea Harriers should not to be underestimated, they have the ability to conduct anti-ship attacks, fighter sweeps, and most importantly they provide a greatly increased recconnaisance capability.

The Gorshkov will mean a quantum leap forward for the IN, with CTOL fighters in the form of the MiG-29K-2002 (and now you probbaly will say that the Su-33 is better, which is true in the strict air to air arena, but the Russians are the only one with naval Flankers yet, and they can't conduct anti-ship missions).
 
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Acording to Bharat-rakshak, India have total of nine Ka-31.

The Gorshkov will mean a quantum leap forward for the IN, with CTOL fighters in the form of the MiG-29K-2002 (and now you probbaly will say that the Su-33 is better, which is true in the strict air to air arena, but the Russians are the only one with naval Flankers yet, and they can't conduct anti-ship missions).
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Su-33 may be better than MiG-29K in some fields but it really doesen't matter couse Gorshkov cannot operate the bigger Sukhoi...
 
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IDonT

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Lavi said:
According to my source (from 2004) the IN has three Ka-31 AEW choppers 'on order'. These would be quite a benefit if Viraat would meet a SAG in open waters.

The Sea Harriers should not to be underestimated, they have the ability to conduct anti-ship attacks, fighter sweeps, and most importantly they provide a greatly increased recconnaisance capability.

The Gorshkov will mean a quantum leap forward for the IN, with CTOL fighters in the form of the MiG-29K-2002 (and now you probbaly will say that the Su-33 is better, which is true in the strict air to air arena, but the Russians are the only one with naval Flankers yet, and they can't conduct anti-ship missions).
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IN sea harriers can carry 2 sea eagle anti-ship missiles or 1 sea eagle and 1 external tank to increase its range. Assuming the open waters scenario, PLAN recon helo will be shot down by harriers before they can locate the Viraat battle group. IN sea harriers can attack the SAG from out side its SAM cover.
 
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IDonT

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MIGleader said:
china has radars that can see a ship ans shoot it with asm without a helo
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Surface search radar's range on ships is limited by the horizon. An aircraft can see higher because its horizon is farther.
 
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Raven

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There has been talk about a PRC CVSG/CVBG. As a pilot I am curious about the aviation compoment of a hypothetical PRC carrier group. What aircraft would make up the airwing of the PLAN carrier forces?


Fighters

Attack Aircraft

ASW Aircraft and or Helos

Electronic Warefare/Tanker/4C

A navalized SU-30 would be a great asset for a carrier. Give it a buddy store and one Flanker could allow other Flankers to operate much further from the CV. The Flanker also carries an excellent array of Anti ships weaponry. Does the Su-30 drop sea mines as well?
 
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