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swimmerXC · Sep 24, 2005

MIGleader said:
remote countrol mings and romeos?? its possible. the chinese have already made j-5 drones.

the klub is also a possibility for long range attack on a cvbg.

do you realize how much it would cost to make the mings and romeos and control them by radio? how will they link the sonar to the ground/ship?? they are going to hit each other before some USN ship sinks them.
im thinking of something like a boey you can stick all around the sea, and when you activate them they makes acoustic signature of kilos, yuan, and songs; that way it will make it look like they got you surrounded; basically like big under speakers that blast the acoustic signature of subs

IDonT · Sep 24, 2005

swimmerXC said:
do you realize how much it would cost to make the mings and romeos and control them by radio? how will they link the sonar to the ground/ship?? they are going to hit each other before some USN ship sinks them.
im thinking of something like a boey you can stick all around the sea, and when you activate them they makes acoustic signature of kilos, yuan, and songs; that way it will make it look like they got you surrounded; basically like big under speakers that blast the acoustic signature of subs

Remote control subs are a fantasy. How do you control them when there are volumes of water between the sub and the control system?

Bouey decoy will not fool a US sub sonar man. They are not moving and constantly stay at a single depth in the water.
Each ship on the ocean has a very distinct sound and the US probably has a data base full of what every PLAN ship sounds like.

swimmerXC · Sep 24, 2005

im not thinkging of turning them all before the ships arrive, more like when the real subs come in turn them on to distract teh sonarman for a couple of minutes

adeptitus · Sep 24, 2005

Submarines have weapons other than Torpedos and AShM's. You can use your submarine fleet to deploy anti-ship mines. The sea mines today are far more advanced than the old floating balls shaped contact type, with anti-sweep features, rockets, remote control/activation, etc.

MIGleader · Sep 25, 2005

IDonT said:
Remote control subs are a fantasy. How do you control them when there are volumes of water between the sub and the control system?

Bouey decoy will not fool a US sub sonar man. They are not moving and constantly stay at a single depth in the water.
Each ship on the ocean has a very distinct sound and the US probably has a data base full of what every PLAN ship sounds like.

they probably have a kilo's sig, but not a yuans or songs.
a remote control ming is not impossible, all you need to do is steer it, not fore it or submerge it or anything complicated.

swimmerXC · Sep 25, 2005

well from all this, i can prettty much say for all of you, that the only chance PLAN got to defeat carriers is underwater and not on the surface?

bd popeye · Sep 25, 2005

they probably have a kilo's sig, but not a yuans or songs.

No the USN does not have the acoustic signature for the Song class. But trust me the USN is working on that. Yuan I'm not sure of.

a remote control ming is not impossible, all you need to do is steer it, not fore it or submerge it or anything complicated.

MIGleader I'm sure it could be done but are you aware that there many obstcales underwater that need to be navigated? I'm sure the technology exist to remote control a sub. But it won't be as easy as some may think.

Jeff Head · Sep 25, 2005

bd popeye said:
No the USN does not have the acoustic signature for the Song class. But trust me the USN is working on that. Yuan I'm not sure of.

Popeye, are you aware that the Song has been being delivered to the PLAN since 1994? The PLAN has eight or nine of them.

I will bet dollars to doughnuts that the USN has the sig of the Song.

The Yuan is the new boat, delivered first last year in 2004. They have two of them.

It is thought that this was the boat that was off Guam last year...but I do not know that.

Either way, I would be surprized, if it has been very far out of harbor at all into the open waters of the South China Sea or beyond, if an ADCAP LA boat, or maybe even one of the Sea Wolves hasn't tagged it.

MIGleader · Sep 25, 2005

well, no one said a remote control ming was easy, just possible
even if china has had the song for a while, how has the u.s obtained its sig.
have p-3s been spying in chinese waters? unlikely.

Jeff Head · Sep 25, 2005

MIGleader said:
how has the u.s obtained its sig.
have p-3s been spying in chinese waters?

If they did, it would most likely be other subs, either ADCAP LA or Sea Wolf, in the China and South China Seas.

USN boats would regularly tag Soviet subs soon after they left port and got into international waters...outside of a 12 or so mile zone. Sometimes sooner I am told.

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