I used to be like you until I start reading the declassified reports from CIA and FBI and how the US government tried to dismiss huge saucers as small balloons. OOO and did I mention I saw a couple in 2003?
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American UFO disclosures
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Bro, you only saw a small part of the collection, the AATIP headed by Luis analyzed hundreds of footages, sensors etc, they came to one conclusion that this isn't human. Thats their hypothesis but who am I to say. Btw, I have seen one myself moving zig zag up down so fast that no aircraft can possibly do that.Did you get this info from watching that To the Stars youtube?
Yes, the object was detected in all 3 parts of the visual spectrum. However, most of the craziest detections such as the "descending from space" claim were only captured by radar, and were not visually tracked or seen by the IR camera.
I would be a lot more convinced if they showed any of this supposed "crazy" accelleration.
Tell me what is skunkworks doing in the middle of a black out in Malaysia in 2003? That was as 18 years ago. Have you seen a tiny orb floating slowly in front of you when you were 15? Nay, me a certified Engineer graduating from a renowned Aussie Uni is just crazy and stupid.Agreed.
Just wait when the military reveals in 10-20 yrs its new weapons which would resemble some of these "UFOs"
It would be funny seeing all these "Aliens are visiting us" people lol
Imagine thinking that Aliens capable of interstellar travel will let themselves be seen....
Those aren't rumors mate, acknowledged by the US as real. It's okay to be skeptical but don't dismiss this as another hoax. Humans are so ignorant, they believe in the universe with billions of stars that we are the ONLY intelligent lifeform. LOL
He's suggesting that these particular examples of "evidence" coming from the state with deep state approval, does not necessarily exclude extraterrestrial intelligence and high intelligence beings from existing and indeed even visiting earth.
There is almost no doubt that none of this are "disclosure" programs. The videos are iffy, none are showing extraordinary movement. People are fallible and the others can lie. It's the government and navy suggesting that UAPs/UFOs are real. Okay sure. Are these UFOs genuine ones and furthermore, non-human in origin? That's definitely not a certainty. Is the US government trying to do something/achieve certain objectives with this information? almost definitely. Is it in the interest of letting the public know everything they know? I doubt it because if it is all true and aliens or whatever, then that makes it quite likely there have been many "interactions" in the past. Why not reveal all the interactions in modern history?? Why just a few navy controlled ones?
Weapons testing, psy ops, whatever. This stuff is US deep state sanctioned manipulation and distraction. Whether it achieves some sort of propaganda/ information warfare goal or some military strategic goal, it is certainly done to better our (commoner) understanding of true extraterrestrial life or for the sake of other nations and their interests.
Making points based on private informarion is useless. Show us what you saw, or don't mention it as part of your argument.Bro, you only saw a small part of the collection, the AATIP headed by Luis analyzed hundreds of footages, sensors etc, they came to one conclusion that this isn't human. Thats their hypothesis but who am I to say. Btw, I have seen one myself moving zig zag up down so fast that no aircraft can possibly do that.
I used to be like you until I start reading the declassified reports from CIA and FBI and how the US government tried to dismiss huge saucers as small balloons. OOO and did I mention I saw a couple in 2003?
Again all of those may be true and honest documentation with no nefarious intention. This doesn't mean the current slew of attention offered are anything more than an attempt at achieving some social, political, and military goals.
Ask yourself why they are so generously revealing some current naval ones which implies the existence of xyz yet if xyz clearly exist, they must have been visiting and interacting with us for a long time. The evidence for those are more substantial to be honest because I trust military servicemen and the navy far less than I do all those independent researchers and accumulated evidence that have been made relatively public. So how come no revelation on other incidents in the past? How come no admission on having made contact in 19xx?
These exposed stuff could be anything from misidentified objects to engineered false "disclosure" to control narratives and a testing of new electronic warfare weapons. All the characters except two pilots who came out to talk about this, seem very shady. Particularly the Luis guy and the Corbell guy. Both simply seem like too much. Not sure how to explain it. They are intentionally going for that everyman blue collar working class look and they don't seem to talk with much intelligence. They simply don't seem like people who would have worked so closely with people of that community within the government. Well Corbell is a snake oil salesman and a bit of a media/propaganda man where Luis apparently worked with the US government with pretty high clearances. They seem like they've been picked to do another job - earn trust of everyman and mislead.
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I don't even dare say the word ALIEN. The videos are 'iffy' that because we didn't get to access the sensor information targeting it, they could calculate the speed and other parameters. Tell me which aircraft can just remain stationary at such altitude? A sphere shape a triangle with no propulsion? Wtf, guys are you guys even engineers? You look at a picture flying 'slowly', those aircrafts are being tracked at 28000km/hr you need to understand relative speed. aiiiihHe's suggesting that these particular examples of "evidence" coming from the state with deep state approval, does not necessarily exclude extraterrestrial intelligence and high intelligence beings from existing and indeed even visiting earth.
There is almost no doubt that none of this are "disclosure" programs. The videos are iffy, none are showing extraordinary movement. People are fallible and the others can lie. It's the government and navy suggesting that UAPs/UFOs are real. Okay sure. Are these UFOs genuine ones and furthermore, non-human in origin? That's definitely not a certainty. Is the US government trying to do something/achieve certain objectives with this information? almost definitely. Is it in the interest of letting the public know everything they know? I doubt it because if it is all true and aliens or whatever, then that makes it quite likely there have been many "interactions" in the past. Why not reveal all the interactions in modern history?? Why just a few navy controlled ones?
Weapons testing, psy ops, whatever. This stuff is US deep state sanctioned manipulation and distraction. Whether it achieves some sort of propaganda/ information warfare goal or some military strategic goal, it is certainly done to better our (commoner) understanding of true extraterrestrial life or for the sake of other nations and their interests.
It's okay, I know what I saw. You guys never saw it, that's why you guys don't believe it. Eye witness reports from many servicemen and women which were trained to be oobjective, they didn't even say it was aliens, just crafts flyng beyond our wildest dreams.Making points based on private informarion is useless. Show us what you saw, or don't mention it as part of your argument.
Lmao you trust military servicemen?Eye witness reports from many servicemen and women which were trained to be oobjective, they didn't even say it was aliens, just crafts flyng beyond our wildest dreams.
Haha thats the last people I would believe. You know that by law they are forced to follow their superiors' orders right?
You know that if they go "off-the-script" they can be court martialled and thrown into jail?..
I feel my IQ declining as this convo continues..
I don't even dare say the word ALIEN. The videos are 'iffy' that because we didn't get to access the sensor information targeting it, they could calculate the speed and other parameters. Tell me which aircraft can just remain stationary at such altitude? A sphere shape a triangle with no propulsion? Wtf, guys are you guys even engineers? You look at a picture flying 'slowly', those aircrafts are being tracked at 28000km/hr you need to understand relative speed. aiiiih
You're not the only engineer here. I haven't seen evidence of what you're claiming.
Show me footage of the "thing" stationary. Please.
Show us the relative velocities. The footage I've seen show something flying well within what is possible for a bird or plane or drone etc.