American Economics Thread

tygyg1111

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Yeah, you just did that calculation in the second Slap-Yourself you posted. And last time, you used 30% so I can assume you're just making shit up as you go.

An answer to which point?

No actually, you read into it more than is actually there. Asians got STEM PhDs because we're good at STEM, and have a culture of excellence. And you imagined that that we did that for US immigration because Americans like to imagine that the world revolves around them. The enormous number of Chinese STEM degrees that have never applied to go to the US and the supermajority of which whom return to China after foreign studies prove you wrong, although your theory was so unreasonably American-centric that it was the one that needed proving in the first place, not the counter-argument.

You're the one who brought up "suburban white children" as the representative of the US. Before that, I just said "American." Lowell? The hardware store?? I don't even know where you got that from.

Actually, the higher you go, the less personal racism you experience and that can lull someone into complacency. The last time I heard a racial taunt, I was in elementary school, one of the worst in NYC because I barely spoke English. I heard them no more because I tested into top-placing middle school and since I went to a specialized science high school, taunting Asians would be funny since Asian was the largest racial group at the school. And obviously, at a private univeristy at the PhD level, using a racial slur is basically the same as a resignation letter so you couldn't get those thrown at you even if you tried. But this is far beyond personal; this is about the status of my country, my children and thier children in the world.

That seems to be all there is in your head. You guessed wrong why I got a PhD just like you guessed wrong why the other Chinese/Asian PhDs have them. I got one because both my parents had one and I was good at my field. I don't need one to stay in the US nor do I plan to stay in the US. It is my family tradition to have STEM PhDs because my father always valued knowledge above all. He told me when I was a child he'd be proud of me if I was a PhD labrat who made $40K a year for the rest of my life but ashamed of me if I became even a millionaire Michelin chef because to him, no cook could ever trump a scientist. But you don't get that. You think I did a PhD cus I'm angry at white people or because America would throw me out of I didn't have one? LOLOL

And one more time, I'm not racist against white people. I love Russians; they're whiter than Americans. You'd need to be albino to be whiter than a Russian.

LMFAO what?

How much better? Everything can be better. Why would such a small group not be a minority?

For Chinese winners. Apparently unique compared with your other countries according to you.

That's other countries, not China. Did you catch that from the data you tried to use?

That's not even a sentence. What did you want it mean?

Oh, this is some 5%<3% American mathematical illiteracy magic here? LOL
At university (engineering degree), in group projects - if we had a group which was all asians (without a language barrier), we knew we would dominate and get shit done. When we got one or two local white suburban kids, we knew we had to throttle down the pace (sometimes significantly) so they could keep up. When you find yourself in a group which was all white suburban kids, you thought "shit, I'm going to have to do all the heavy lifting, allocate appropriate tasks to them based on their ability and keep rallying them so they don't turn into no-shows after 3 lectures".
The dud rate for asian students was probably around 20%, whereas the dud rate for locals was around 80% (i.e 80% were the shelf stacker in a STEM lab grade).
I'm pretty sure all STEM background forum members had this experience in western universities.
 

kentchang

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Wholesale borrowing (brokered deposits/CDs/commercial paper/etc) tends to be the treasury rate plus a spread. Swap agreements don't diffuse risk as much as they just push it to another place in the financial sector (the Reserve Primary Fund writing a CDS on Lehman CP didn't remove the risk of a Lehman default, it just pushed it to AIG)

Again, no 'chaos' as you claimed. Nobody panics. Shifting/distributing risk is what insurance is all about. Many firms both buy side and sell side pray for volatilities. Your 'chaos' is just other people's opportunities. Interest rate changes have nothing to do with over-leveraged companies making the wrong bets.
 

manqiangrexue

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A US 3% growth rate vs. China's 5% growth rate would mean it would take 2-3 decades for China to converge to US GDP levels despite China having a 4x population of the United States
1. Taking 2-3 decades to catch up is better than getting run down in 2-3 decades.
2. In PPP, China is already much larger than the US and outgrowing it further. This is the much better indicator of domestic economic size. Nominal GDP is entirely at the mercy of exchange rate fluctuations which China can change if it wishes to be larger or smaller.
I'm not going to reply to everything else since it's largely pointless
Yeah, because you get smothered every time in counter facts.
but the 80% return rate isn't doctorates, it's mostly a gigantic surge in Chinese undergraduate seeking in other countries, but undergraduate degrees do not have paths to permanent residency in the United States (more generally). PhD earners largely stay in the US but regardless,
2024 numbers, >80% for all students, rising but unspecified numbers for STEM PhD. You also have to consider that someone doing a STEM PhD is in pursuit of knowledge and that really only starts, rather than ends at the PhD phase. So it is normal to stay longer and learn more through post doc or work experience. When STEM PhDs return with a decade or 2 of work experience, they are really packed with mental goodies.
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the US economy is not make or break on ~3-4K replaceable students
Its tech relies on what those students become; at about 50%, more if you add other temp visas.
Capital deepening vs total factor productivity growth are different.
When it comes to the economy, China's grows faster. When it comes to technological advancement, robot density, productivity, China grows faster and is already in many areas more advanced than the US. Excuses for why 3 is higher than 5 is why you have no chance against China's rise.
The US economy is substantially larger and more competitive than China's
That's not what your article says. The US economy is much smaller than China's at PPP, the real economic indicator, and its GDP growth and technological level are being outstripped by China.
(even ignoring how China's growth discontinuity has resulted in substantially decelerated growth that has yet to recover -
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"Consensus forecasts for the global economy over the medium and long term predict the world's economic gravity will substantially shift towards Asia and especially towards the Asian Giants, China and India."

States that this is a dissenting opinion to the consensus.

"China's growth record in the past 35 years has been remarkable, and nothing in our analysis suggests that a sharp slowdown is inevitable. Still, our analysis suggests that forecasters and planners looking at China would do well to contemplate a much wider range of outcomes than are typically considered."

States that this is very iffy and China could just blow right past it like everyone else says. Basically, the article was written just to bring up a side possibility.
 

Fatty

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Funny enough, this is most likely a net loss to the economy.

2nd order health benefits I guess reduces healthcare inflation but 10% less hospital visits and surgeries a year won't really affect high admin costs and salaries in a meaningful way.

Don’t worry, GLP probably has some long term effects that will contribute equally to the economy. One guy with thyroid cancer will contribute his lifetime’s worth of grocery GDP easily. Btw it is very insane how GLP is being pushed like this. It should only be a last resort or given to people needing urgent help but it is being taken like candy
 

RedBaron

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Tesla reported its first decline in annual deliveries on Thursday, as the automaker handed over fewer-than-expected electric vehicles in the fourth quarter and incentives failed to boost demand for its ageing lineup of models.
Tesla handed over 495,570 vehicles in the three months to 31 December, missing estimates of 503,269 units, according to 15 analysts polled by LSEG. It delivered 471,930 Model 3 and Model Y vehicles and 23,640 units of other models, including the Model S sedan, Cybertruck and Model X premium SUV. It produced 459,445 vehicles during the October-December period.
Deliveries for 2024 were 1.79m, 1.1% lower than a year ago, below estimates of 1.806m units, according to 19 analysts polled by LSEG. With self-driving technology still years away, analysts have said Tesla will have to rely on cheaper versions of current cars and the Cybertruck to drive sales growth in the near term.
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drowingfish

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Interest rates moving too quickly in any one direction can cause financial sector chaos since a substantial amount of the financial sector borrows at fixed rates and lends at floating rates
Almost all central banks typically misjudges their own policy moves. Look at the FED, they definitely raised more than they wanted to fight inflation, and I am betting that they will cut more than they plan to in order to avoid or arrest a significant slowdown.
 
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