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AssassinsMace

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Since it's intentional then it must be legitimate that only the elites make all the money. It's like when the US makes corruption legal so that means there's no corruption. There's nothing wrong with screwing the average American.
 

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Yes - an autoregressive model is highly sensitive to new inputs.

Macroeconomic modelling in the U.S. dates to when Mao was burning down all the universities in China but okay.
Mao also presided over a more improved healthcare system and larger economic growth than any US president in the last 30 years, so I suggest you stop letting US propaganda designed to appeal to the lowest educated denominator shape your reality.

By your own logic, Biden is "burning down all the universities" today even as US trails China in scientific impact and output.
 

chgough34

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Mao also presided over a more improved healthcare system and larger economic growth than any US president in the last 30 years, so I suggest you stop letting US propaganda designed to appeal to the lowest educated denominator shape your reality.

By your own logic, Biden is "burning down all the universities" today even as US trails China in scientific impact and output.
It is simply a fact that universities in China stopped operating during the cultural revolution and sent the professors to the countryside to work from the 1960s-1970s (which is when large macroeconometric models began to really take form). There wasn’t even a gaokao. Biden is not demanding all universities close or calling for a repeal of the 1965 Higher Education Act so I don’t have any comparable “logic”.
 

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It is simply a fact that universities in China stopped operating during the cultural revolution and sent the professors to the countryside to work. Biden is not demanding all universities close or calling for a repeal of the 1965 Higher Education Act.
He threw out some professors, mostly those in soft sciences which were not seen as teaching useful subjects. Innovation and education did not stop at any point of Mao's tenure, these are simply a fact you can look up statistically.

What Biden IS calling for is sending in law enforcement to end university protests and arrest professors that do not align with the ruling political view, no different than what Mao called for, which as you see, is a far cry from "burning down all the universities".
 

chgough34

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He threw out some professors, mostly those in soft sciences which were not seen as teaching useful subjects. Innovation and education did not stop at any point of Mao's tenure, these are simply a fact you can look up statistically.
The universities stopped operating, for a decade, regardless of what they were teaching. Even the gaokao stopped.
What Biden IS calling for is sending in law enforcement to end university protests and arrest professors that do not align with the ruling political view, no different than what Mao called for, which as you see, is a far cry from "burning down all the universities".
Is Biden calling for Columbia University in the City of New York to close and never open again and for the SAT to be banned?
 

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US capital markets allow for efficient matching between savers/investors and firms seeking capital - which leads to benefits for everyone and substantial technological development.
Not really comparable with China given that the vast majority of large Chinese firms aren't on the market.

There is substantial tech development in US compared to EU at least, however economically and in total research output, US is much too early to compare with China.
 

chgough34

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Not really comparable with China given that the vast majority of large Chinese firms aren't on the market.
This is of course circular. The lack of financial development in China results in firms being unable to build an equity layer to their capital structure - so for firms engaging in risky activities that are difficult to collateralize - such as software publishers and biotech firms - those in China are substantially smaller since they can’t get money to fund software development or clinical trials. It is not a coincidence that the largest software publishers in China all grew up on American VC funding
 

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This is of course circular. The lack of financial development in China results in firms being unable to build an equity layer to their capital structure - so for firms engaging in risky activities that are difficult to collateralize - such as software publishers and biotech firms - those in China are substantially smaller since they can’t get money to fund software development or clinical trials. It is not a coincidence that the largest software publishers in China all grew up on American VC funding
Yet their overall economy size is substantially larger, because of China's informed choice in letting workers own the majority of corporations. Such an environment creates workers that have a symbiotic relationship with their employers, rather than being interchangable cogs. These workers then go on to fiercely compete among one another, unable to coast on easy nepotistic capital or early bird advantages.

As China cleverly realized in the past, the stock market does not pick the best to be winners. It picks the ones that can give a small cartel of major traders the best short term returns.

Countries that let stock market govern a large part of their economy inevitably fall into a dearth in innovation and development, as monopolies are created. Such scenes played out in countries such as Brazil, India, America and so on, trapping growth into the 1-3% range.
 

chgough34

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Yet their overall economy size is substantially larger, because of China's informed choice in letting workers own the majority of corporations. Such an environment creates workers that have a symbiotic relationship with their employers, rather than being interchangable cogs. These workers then go on to fiercely compete among one another, unable to coast on easy nepotistic capital or early bird advantages.
No, lol. Most firms in China are not worker cooperatives. They are for-profit firms accountable to a shareholder elected board.
As China cleverly realized in the past, the stock market does not pick the best to be winners. It picks the ones that can give a small cartel of major traders the best short term returns.
Is this why the CSRC has implemented a lot of regulations and policies to deepen the importance of the SSE and SZSE to the economy?
Countries that let stock market govern a large part of their economy inevitably fall into a dearth in innovation and development, as monopolies are created. Such scenes played out in countries such as Brazil, India, America and so on, trapping growth into the 1-3% range.
“Inevitably” not innovative as Microsoft and Nvidia clearly demonstrate. /s

China’s growth from 1978-present has been capital deepening and technological catch-up and as the easy hanging fruit has been picked, Chinas gdp growth rate has predictably slowed substantially and is on the same glide path as the rest of the Asian tigers.
 
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