American Economics Thread

tygyg1111

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My two cents which may or may not be relevant to the conversation at hand:

A large minority of Americans are known to be in a position that they can live comfortably without shocks but would not be able to pay a sudden $1000 bill. This means that while most may be happy with the life they lead, they will very quickly become unhappy with the life they lead should a sudden bill appear in their life.
Examples of potential sudden bills include sudden medical fees, car repairs, and unexpected fines.

It's my personal belief that a lot of this "$1000 predicament" stems from a poor financial literacy.
Some pieces of evidence to support this belief are the prevalence of credit card debt (defined as credit card debt that has had interest paid on it), the prevalence of television ads for such-and-such product with 0% financing for so many months, and a common miscomprehension of the nature of compound interest.
The cumulative result of these pieces of evidence is a consumer behavior that (a) encourages maximal spending at all times and (b) does not encourage substantial saving for future events.
The result of this is the "$1000 predicament".

It is also important to address how people decide whether they are happy with their life: if you ask people in substantial debt if they are happy with their life, chances are they will say yes. The reason for this seemingly nonsensical response is that people in debt only really become unhappy after their possessions are taken from them by whatever institution they have borrowed money from. If they make regular payments on their debt, this will not happen, and so they will remain happy despite being in debt, possibly for life. It should be observed that vast majority of people in debt make payments on their debt--otherwise, lenders would not lend money for fear of frequent defaults. In fact, some people despite being in substantial debt can continue to make purchases that dig them further into debt if they have a good enough record making minimum payments on their existing debt. In this way, debt can be expanded substantially, digging further into savings for the future, while still maintaining a satisfactory standard of living.

I'm not quite sure how this will be resolved once these people enter retirement age. This issue I believe is much more prominent amongst people 50 and younger, who were still fairly young when credit cards entered widespread use. These people still have some time to retirement, and it is an interesting thing to watch what will happen once these people do retire. It is however safe to say that their saving habits will probably remain unchanged up until they retire, and maybe even past it.

Another thing to keep in mind is a common value amongst American parents: children are often left to fend for themselves after reaching 18, or 22, or some fairly young age. Despite the value placed on the so-called "nuclear family", this value only really seems to last until the child reaches adulthood, after which parents and children seem to want to have nothing to do with each other. Notice that this is only common amongst the "peons" of America, and that the rich always seem to take good care of their children well into adulthood. This is an interesting divide in mentality.
Since around age 15, through living amongst them, I've come to the conclusion that the top 10% of anglo families are roughly similar to the majority of regular Chinese families in their understanding and views on finance, education, career and so on.

The remaining 90% are below what I considered then as acceptable behaviour for normally functioning adults; however I realize now that that is just the norm for anglo (not sure about other european descent) societies.
 

Chevalier

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Since around age 15, through living amongst them, I've come to the conclusion that the top 10% of anglo families are roughly similar to the majority of regular Chinese families in their understanding and views on finance, education, career and so on.
How much of those Anglo families are jewish? I find that the only caucasian families with the same values as Chinese ie education minded, focus on saving and investment tends to be jewish. THe only difference is that jewish networking and nepotism is highly encouraged, as shameless as indian nepotism, whereas chinese networking and nepotism is highly criticised as 'guanxi'. It's gotten to the point where the entire anglo establishment is already guarded against any Asian applicant, even at the basic worker level, not even managerial level.
 

AssassinsMace

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Americans are encouraged to spend to help the economy. The US government doesn't care if it bankrupts Americans because the only that matters is US companies, the elites, make money. It's all about instilling confidence that everything is all right so the American people will spend. We're seeing it here in this thread where you have trolls telling the US economy is doing great like the US government doesn't have the ability to lie. I remember back when Obama was President, he was saying the economy was doing great and then it came out later the US was in by definition a recession at that time.

In contrast the US says China's economy is doing horribly. China according to their figures has already passed the threshold where before they said China would experience riots in the streets if the economy dropped below 6% growth. Where's the riots? China is the opposite of what the US is doing in contrast to their own country. They want to instill pessimism so no one invests in China. Remember ever since the 2008 Western Financial Crisis, the West has been predicting China's economy was going to get hit because their economies suffered. It never happened. Normally when a recession happens like it did with the US, it takes a few years to recover. It took longer this time. Why? China. People in the world had other places to keep their money safe in the world. Anything associated with China was safer than the US. Before, the US was the only game in town and everyone during hard times just put their money into other sectors of the US economy. This time it didn't happen so money wasn't just wasn't moving around the US helping the US economy recover quicker. That's why they're bad mouthing China's economy because they want that money go into them. It has nothing to do with the truth. Just as long the money is flowing to them, they don't care how it happens meaning what they say is happening doesn't mean it's the truth.
 

tygyg1111

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How much of those Anglo families are jewish? I find that the only caucasian families with the same values as Chinese ie education minded, focus on saving and investment tends to be jewish. THe only difference is that jewish networking and nepotism is highly encouraged, as shameless as indian nepotism, whereas chinese networking and nepotism is highly criticised as 'guanxi'. It's gotten to the point where the entire anglo establishment is already guarded against any Asian applicant, even at the basic worker level, not even managerial level.
Can't confirm how many were jewish (not many demographically in that location), however those in academia held a high percentage of that 10%
 

tygyg1111

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Americans are encouraged to spend to help the economy. The US government doesn't care if it bankrupts Americans because the only that matters is US companies, the elites, make money. It's all about instilling confidence that everything is all right so the American people will spend. We're seeing it here in this thread where you have trolls telling the US economy is doing great like the US government doesn't have the ability to lie. I remember back when Obama was President, he was saying the economy was doing great and then it came out later the US was in by definition a recession at that time.

In contrast the US says China's economy is doing horribly. China according to their figures has already passed the threshold where before they said China would experience riots in the streets if the economy dropped below 6% growth. Where's the riots? China is the opposite of what the US is doing in contrast to their own country. They want to instill pessimism so no one invests in China. Remember ever since the 2008 Western Financial Crisis, the West has been predicting China's economy was going to get hit because their economies suffered. It never happened. Normally when a recession happens like it did with the US, it takes a few years to recover. It took longer this time. Why? China. People in the world had other places to keep their money safe in the world. Anything associated with China was safer than the US. Before, the US was the only game in town and everyone during hard times just put their money into other sectors of the US economy. This time it didn't happen so money wasn't just wasn't moving around the US helping the US economy recover quicker. That's why they're bad mouthing China's economy because they want that money go into them. It has nothing to do with the truth. Just as long the money is flowing to them, they don't care how it happens meaning what they say is happening doesn't mean it's the truth.
Same as their approach during Covid
 

Sinnavuuty

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The 50 year petrodollar agreement negotiated by Nixon with Saudi is due to expire on 8th June 2024 and according to X the Saudis have said they won't be renewing. This could be interesting if true.
I think this petrodollar agreement had no expiration date.
 

Zhong"Geodaddy"Li

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If anyone remembers the meme stock craze in 2021 involving GameStop, the trader Deepfuckingvalue just posted his positions again after 3 years of silence, showing he turned 50k usd into nearly 300 million usd. In addition, the stock market has been “glitching” all day, showing things like Berkshire Hathaway’s A shares which trade at $600,000 selling for $185.

The US stock market may have finally hit a wall in fake numbers.
 
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