American Economics Thread

Overbom

Brigadier
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Is it really so hard to wait another month before you try and spin something into support for your "rah rah American Economy uber alles" narrative?
This is a prediction. That means it hasn't happened yet. Wait. And See. And then open your mouth.
Are we sure he is an American? This sort of behaviour reminds me of a certain wanna-be superpower country which borders China
 

Han Patriot

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What massive innovation in oilfield technology can you list in the last several years? When was the last time you looked at a fracking company financials? The cost of fracking oil is going up and will continue to go up for every barrel of oil. The best pay wells are already depleted. Cost per barrel production is averaging over $60. There is a reason why all the majors are spending their capital everywhere but shale these days.

My previous employer is using the low cost barrels from offshore and in-situ assets to make up for the high cost barrels from Permian. Literally billions a year in subsidies to the Permian.

There is no way to stretch a barrel of oil further. There are so many molecules in a barrel of oil, and because it's all light oil in Permian, you cant crack it. If people can magically increase a volume of oil, why we still extracting? Apparently you don't understand mass/volume relationship. Petrochemicals don't typically use oil, it uses NGL.
NGL otherwise known as condensates right.
 
Are we sure he is an American? This sort of behaviour reminds me of a certain wanna-be superpower country which borders China
Maybe he is a student (either in US or somewhere else) and wants to believe the illusion that there is a good paying job that will afford him a "super affluent" lifestyle with "MacMansion and trophy wife" waiting for him in the US, so he hunts tirelessly for whatever specks of data he can misinterpret to fuel his delusional dreams.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
NGL otherwise known as condensates right.
Yes, natural gas liquids or condensates. Anything from ethane to pentane. Mostly propanes to pentanes.

It's easier to form bigger molecules that is useful by combining, because then you can get the forms you want.

Plastics are typically based with C2s, easiest and cheapest way. Can also be made with other molecules but more expensive.
 

HighGround

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What massive innovation in oilfield technology can you list in the last several years? When was the last time you looked at a fracking company financials? The cost of fracking oil is going up and will continue to go up for every barrel of oil. The best pay wells are already depleted. Cost per barrel production is averaging over $60. There is a reason why all the majors are spending their capital everywhere but shale these days.

My previous employer is using the low cost barrels from offshore and in-situ assets to make up for the high cost barrels from Permian. Literally billions a year in subsidies to the Permian.

There is no way to stretch a barrel of oil further. There are so many molecules in a barrel of oil, and because it's all light oil in Permian, you cant crack it. If people can magically increase a volume of oil, why we still extracting? Apparently you don't understand mass/volume relationship. Petrochemicals don't typically use oil, it uses NGL.

He's just referring to general energy use efficiencies in the last 40-50 years that have effectively flat-lined US oil consumption for the last 20 years. As well as the research, loans, and development of technologies that allows for the fracking revolution to occur in the first place.

This is all of course, largely irrelevant because the black gold in U.S. will either eventually run out or become unprofitable to extract. Even if it isn't however, United States' refusal to take the energy transition seriously puts us on a serious backfoot relative to China, who is well underway and has all of the production inputs to transition (they're already transitioning).

Every country has different challenges. Considering America's excellent demographics, strong industrial base, strong institutions, and its privileged role in the international system, our progress is pathetic, crippled almost entirely by political infighting that has stalled meaningful progress. The private sector is of course productive, but there is no reason why U.S. cannot lead the energy transition, the fight on climate change, why we cannot build highly efficient mass transit, or why we cannot provide cheap and affordable housing. The ingredients are all present, the only thing missing is political will.

Instead, the only bi-partisan thing the clowns in D.C. can agree on is boosting inefficient defense spending and denying cheap Chinese goods to Americans.
 

HighGround

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Are we sure he is an American? This sort of behaviour reminds me of a certain wanna-be superpower country which borders China
The American economy is one of the strongest in the world... It's not even a debate. The challenges that face U.S. is the inefficient deployment of its resources and inability of the government to provide basic common goods to its citizens. The main ones of course being affordable housing and healthcare.

I've made fun of people complaining about food costs before in this thread and I'll do it again. I have sympathy for American poor, but paying marginally more for food isn't why they're poor. They're poor because housing is becoming unaffordable and frankly, most poor people are shit with money or knowing how to move up in the world.
 

tygyg1111

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Maybe he is a student (either in US or somewhere else) and wants to believe the illusion that there is a good paying job that will afford him a "super affluent" lifestyle with "MacMansion and trophy wife" waiting for him in the US, so he hunts tirelessly for whatever specks of data he can misinterpret to fuel his delusional dreams.
Targeted question - I wonder what figure he thinks washing dishes at restaurants earns...
 

ficker22

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Maybe he is a student (either in US or somewhere else) and wants to believe the illusion that there is a good paying job that will afford him a "super affluent" lifestyle with "MacMansion and trophy wife" waiting for him in the US, so he hunts tirelessly for whatever specks of data he can misinterpret to fuel his delusional dreams.
Hahahaha, nice joke.

I'm not an Amerimutt but as a european i get top 30% salary in germany and still could never buy a house in a known city.


Can't Imagine any better conditions in the states
 
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