American Economics Thread

[chgough34]

The article you posted does not in any way back up the assertion you have made in this post.

It was an additional commentary that extended the TSMC Arizona story. All of the fake news about how tsmc Arizona was doomed because of worker shortages or whatnot turned out to be completely and totally fake - not only is tsmc Arizona going to get to high volume manufacturing in the first half of 2025, they are going to open a THIRD factory in Arizona, scale to 2nm by 2028, and massively increase US kwpm output

 

[Heresy]

It was an additional commentary that extended the TSMC Arizona story. All of the fake news about how tsmc Arizona was doomed because of worker shortages or whatnot turned out to be completely and totally fake - not only is tsmc Arizona going to get to high volume manufacturing in the first half of 2025, they are going to open a THIRD factory in Arizona, scale to 2nm by 2028, and massively increase US kwpm output

"Extended" is a nice way of saying you're reaching conclusions and pushing narratives that the evidence you provided does not back. And even regarding TSMC, the intellectually honest thing to do is say, "we will see". Is it 2025 yet? Has high volume manufacturing actually started?

 

[chgough34]

"Extended" is a nice way of saying you're reaching conclusions and pushing narratives that the evidence you provided does not back. And even regarding TSMC, the intellectually honest thing to do is say, "we will see". Is it 2025 yet? Has high volume manufacturing actually started?

The original stories were about how tsmc pushed back the start to 2026 and 2027. And now that it’s gotten a grant, it’s started *poof* to go back to 2025. The 2025 date was the true date this whole time, the 26-27 dates were all just negotiating tactics to milk the government for money and now that it’s gotten its grant, it can drop the bluff lol.

 

[henrik]

US “deindustrialization” is a meme created by politicians seeking votes in Midwestern swing states - the truth is that while U.S. manufacturing payrolls have indeed declined substantially, U.S. manufacturing is concentrated in a wide array of high-technology fields with substantial scale and depth in all said high-technology fields (and highly productive as well with output per worker in the hundreds of thousands of dollars so there is no need for large payrolls)

US “deindustrialization” is rapid, as indicated by the small number of industrial robots installed.

 

[Heresy]

The original stories were about how tsmc pushed back the start to 2026 and 2027. And now that it’s gotten a grant, it’s started *poof* to go back to 2025. The 2025 date was the true date this whole time, the 26-27 dates were all just negotiating tactics to milk the government for money and now that it’s gotten its grant, it can drop the bluff lol.

You really have a nasty habit of counting your chickens before the eggs are even laid, don't you?

 

[chgough34]

You really have a nasty habit of counting your chickens before the eggs are even laid, don't you?

Somehow if the schedule goes from 2027 to 2025 right after a grant is issued, that’s not supposed to be substantial evidence that tsmc was totally and completely bluffing?

 

[gelgoog]

part of American manufacturing competitiveness is the ease of firm exit - if inefficient firms exit the marketplace through M&A or bankruptcy or otherwise, their employees and capital assets can be better utilized by more efficient firms. And the list of U.S. manufacturers is ubitquituous.

So which American firm replaced RCA then?

 

[chgough34]

So which American firm replaced RCA then?

RCA got bought out by GE

 

[gelgoog]

Bought any RCA TVs made by GE in the US lately?
RCA today is nothing more than a label to stick on things.

The factories do not exist anymore. Neither do their research labs. At one point RCA had the best research labs in the world for consumer electronics. But this has not been true for like 40 years.

Samsung and Sony also started out with CRT TVs and radios and yet they are still around today.

 

[horse]

Somehow if the schedule goes from 2027 to 2025 right after a grant is issued, that’s not supposed to be substantial evidence that tsmc was totally and completely bluffing?

Look buddy, someone should tell you this, the Americans have trouble just building a train station.