Well, at least he is more consistent than Mr. Arab soft powa.
American Economics Thread
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You bring up the most random time series but the increases in suicide are from old people and teenagers. People marginally attached to the labor force. And the teenager suicide rate is likely from substantial increases in high school course rigor which increase adolescent stressors but will substantially increase lifetime income ()
manqiangrexue
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LOL You funny. Increases in teen suicides is due to increases in school course demand, and that translates to higher income??? So we need teen suicides to go through the roof and that will signal a coming high income society, right? LOLOL
Funniest part is the assumption about increases in high school course load. You must have America confused with some other country... like China because China increases education expectations while America only drops theirs. 10 years ago, the SATs actually required prepping for. 1500 was very hard to get, only a handful of students in a high ranking high school would get it. Now they dumbed it down and everybody's getting 2200+ out of 2400. 10 years ago, if you failed a course, your parents got called in and you were in trouble. Now if you fail a course, youre teacher gets in trouble for bullying, unrealistic expectations, emotional insensitivity, and racism if you're not White or Asian. And that leads to multiple instances where cities reports some X schools had every single kid fail math, the math that was made easier to cater to them. Continuing this culture, California schools don't even take SATs anymore; they just wanna interview you to see if you're cool. That's the direction of America's education system and kids are still killing themselves in record numbers. So now they have new classes like Emotional Healing, Spiritual Discovery, Gender Studies, Diversity Studies, etc... Meanwhile in China, they added Coding 101 to the elementary school curriculum and parents are saying that if a school doesn't have it, it's behind the times and you better transfer your kid into one that does.
The plot below is from your own link. Look at the difference between the dark blue (2000) and black (2020) lines. The increase in suicides from 2000 to 2020 is greatest among people in their 20s and early/mid 30s, followed by people in their 50s and early/mid 60s. These are age groups that are very much in the labor pool. Age groups that are out of the labor pool, i.e. above 70 or under 15, actually saw the least increase in suicides from 2000 to 2020.
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“The researchers begin by studying suicide rates by age group. The increase in aggregate suicide rates between 2000 and 2020 can be decomposed into two episodes: a large increase in suicides among middle-aged and older adults in the 2000s, and then a large increase among teens and young people in the 2010s.”
Regardless - the suicide time-series isn’t really of much value for estimating economic conditions since most suicides are impulsive and suicidal periods that have no suicidal attempt/a nonlethal attempt end up rarely having repetition. That’s inconsistent with a long run trend with any type of condition
I’m too lazy to respond to every point but your main points are just factually wrong. 1500+’s on the SAT are 90th percentile (), course taking patterns have uniformly become more rigorous since the 1990s (), and it’s not even universal that elementary school teachers have bachelor degrees (), as opposed to having super rigorous coursework; the U.S. broadly accomplished universal degree-holding among teachers by the 1940s - see the litigation record available at Gehbart v. Belton, 91 A.2d. 137 (Del. 1952)
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Then don't respond at all. If you respond, go through the effort to post all those links (a legal case even LOL), but are still not on point, that's not an effort problem but an ability problem.
Your ability to read charts is factually wrong LOL.
Yeahhhh you don't even know how to read charts... Your own chart puts a 1500 at the 99th percentile with 1440 being the first score to drop to 98th percentile.
America wasn't suffering from its cultural dumbing down in the 90's; it's a very recent trend. 2022-2023 articles:
", signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in July, allowed parents to request that D’s and F’s earned in the 2020-21 school year be changed to pass or no-pass grades.
10% increase in the number of ninth graders at 15 schools across multiple districts with at least one D or F in college preparation courses in the second semester of 2020-21, compared with the same semester of the 2018-19 school year."
"Yet these teachers continue to struggle against a widespread, if well-meaning, resistance to raising the level of learning. A in the 2021-2022 school year suggests this bias in favor of dumbing down instruction is still with us — and may affect our ability to recover from the pandemic."
"The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades."
Totally off topic; why did you cite a legal case? Just to fill up space and make it look "sophisticated"? Teacher's degrees have nothing to do with course difficulty. The difficulty is not limited by instructor knowledge but by the students' ability to learn and produce passing grades.