American Economics Thread

luminary

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South Korea deserves no respect from China, or anyone else. "chauvinistic attitude toward Korean culture is totally uncalled for"?? "demean/disrespect their culture"?? Stop your BS if you don't know. This has nothing to do with heritage. Do reflect on South Korea's foul behaviors before pointing the finger of "chauvinistic attitude" or "demean/disrespect" at China.
It's funny he mentioned chauvinism because angry young men and anti-feminist backlash is a defining feature of modern South Korean society.

That's how the SK president and the current mayor of Seoul got elected, off of pandering to uber-conservative young men who blame women and China for stealing their jobs and spots at good colleges.

Meanwhile, women's rights in their workplace go determinedly ignored and the nation's birthrate continues to drop.
 

xypher

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Last point, unrelated to economics that chauvinistic attitude toward Korean culture is totally uncalled for, regardless of any shared heritage they have evolved into their own culture that they are proud of, and as someone who travels alot and has many Korean friends, they are very good at marketing and branding given how many foreigners try to immerse themselves in the culture. While Koreans may be tied to China for the sake of general prosperity, if you demean/disrespect their culture you can bet on many unfavorable views and a desire to keep a reasonable distance despite your flexing of wealth.
South Koreans already hate China and Chinese, so you are merely seeing the reciprocity.
 

tygyg1111

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It's funny he mentioned chauvinism because angry young men and anti-feminist backlash is a defining feature of modern South Korean society.

That's how the SK president and the current mayor of Seoul got elected, off of pandering to uber-conservative young men who blame women and China for stealing their jobs and spots at good colleges.

Meanwhile, women's rights in their workplace go determinedly ignored and the nation's birthrate continues to drop.
So SK has something in common with the US after all
 

supersnoop

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tend to be more patriotic in their purchasing opinions, with
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being the least concerned with Chinese products.

One other interesting point to come out of the survey: close to 50% of consumers said they would actually be willing to pay more for American-made products.

They don’t care enough…

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Made in America dream ends, blamed on Made in Belarus machinery…
 

montyp165

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Made in America dream ends, blamed on Made in Belarus machinery…
I'm not surprised by this given how much the structural basis (both sociopolitical and economic) needed for actual self-sustaining depth of made-in-usa manufacturing basically does not exist anymore. The level of special interest/corporatist control and influence over the US economy are the biggest tell-tale signs of this in action.
 

vincent

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I'm not surprised by this given how much the structural basis (both sociopolitical and economic) needed for actual self-sustaining depth of made-in-usa manufacturing basically does not exist anymore. The level of special interest/corporatist control and influence over the US economy are the biggest tell-tale signs of this in action.
The biggest impediment to restore manufacturing base in the US IMHO is Wall Street. Stock owners want high rates of return on investments and manufacturing are simply not high margin business.

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horse

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The biggest impediment to restore manufacturing base in the US IMHO is Wall Street. Stock owners want high rates of return on investments and manufacturing are simply not high margin business.

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Everyone should memorize this chart.

Even though, cough cough, it's economics, this is how the world works.

You spend/invest the money, and get a rate of return.

Buy capital goods, like factories and machinery, that takes the most money, and has the least rate of return.

The other parts of the graph at the ends, spend very little money, and reap the greatest rates of return on capital invested.

That is how it is, this smile chart, we cannot get around it. Machinery costs money. The ASML machines sell for $100 million dollars some of them.

That is why America de-industrialized.

If someone had a lot of money and wanted to go into business, last thing they would do is build a factory. Better just to invest in some start ups. In the long, they would make more money that way.

The only exception is the military-industrial complex, and the auto industry in America.

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That is the basics.

Now, what you are suppose to do, here I am pointing directly at people reading this message, is to apply this real world knowledge.

Consider how will Biden implement his re-shoring agenda.

He is telling people to do something that no one wants to do, not for a couple or more generations.

The problem here is two-fold. One is no one wants to do it, why spend the most to get the least, when you can spend the least and get the most, the smile chart. Two is that after manufacturing industry decline, you lose the people and you lose that know how, the workers do not exist.

That is how stupid the Biden people really are for freak shakes. They really do not know.

They're Liberals. All they are going to do is throw money at it.

Sure, that is going to work. Just like how we can tax and spend, then print money from Jerome, as the way to general prosperity.

How much money do you got? If Biden throws money at the problem, would they pocket the money and do nothing? Intel had layoffs right after getting their funds from the Chip Act.


That is why Trump is a conservative, because those people still believe in imperialism. Trump was going to take TikTok for America, he was just going to take it with the forced sale, but the US Supreme Court said no. TikTok knew the law better than President Trump.

We have Biden, who never seen that smile chart.

We have Trump, who does not know anything about American law.

Can you believe this shit?!

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tygyg1111

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The exact same applies to South Korean Gen Z. They are even more screwed by debt. You analyzed wrong. Getting screwed doesn't necessarily lead to pragmatism. Human psychology doesn't work that way. Disgruntled people more often turn to irrational madness, toxic hatred and extremism. The reason why US Gen Z is not patriotic is because the American society has been much more diverse now and valuing diversity.


Stop comparing South Korea with Israel, because it's not comparable. Koreans do not comprise the elite and ruling class of the US unlike Jews do. Israel's neighbors are not the same as South Korea's neighbors. South Korea is the cancer created and backed by the US with the purpose of suppressing Japan and containing the communist bloc (North Korea/China/Soviet Union), just like Ukraine. South Korea only must be uncreated.


South Korea deserves no respect from China, or anyone else. "chauvinistic attitude toward Korean culture is totally uncalled for"?? "demean/disrespect their culture"?? Stop your BS if you don't know. This has nothing to do with heritage. Do reflect on South Korea's foul behaviors before pointing the finger of "chauvinistic attitude" or "demean/disrespect" at China.

"you can bet on many unfavorable views and a desire to keep a reasonable distance" my ass. South Koreans already have been doing beyond those things. "unfavorable views" my ass. As if it were some kind of weapon. If you thought you could threaten with that, it's not going to work.

South Korea only needs to be purged by the North. All the K-"marketing and branding" must have corrupted and blinded so many naive ones.
Although I might add, a unified Korea under the north may be worse - more nationalistic, backed by nuclear weapons and directly on China's border. Recall that they purged China friendly elements from their government shortly after the Korean war was won.

A unified nuclear Korea, with no existential threat bordering them (assume Chinese stance remains status quo), which inherits whatever's left of SK high tech industry, would now have the wherewithal to pursue it's own interests more confidently.

Highly likely that it would begin to chafe against China's interests in the region, start causing instability with Japan, as well as the possibility of a Nixon 2.0 using it against China.
 
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