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More Federal Debt Means More Taxes, Less Growth, and Weaker Real Wages​


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06/19/2023
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Since 1960, Congress has raised the debt ceiling 78 times, according to Bloomberg. The process of increasing the debt limit has become so regular that markets barely worry about it. Furthermore, as the 2011 debt ceiling crisis showed, the impact on asset prices happened mostly in emerging economies. In 2011, Turkish and Indian debt were the most negatively impacted, while Treasuries rose.

Politicians believe that raising the debt ceiling is a social policy and that debt does not matter. Until it does. United States debt to GDP is now 123.4% and the risk of losing confidence on U.S. treasuries as the lowest risk asset is exceedingly high.

The problem in the United States budget is evident in mandatory and discretionary spending. Focusing all the attention on discretionary spending does not solve the deficit and debt problem. Trying to convince American citizens that the entire debt problem can be solved with higher taxes is also lying to them.

Mandatory spending is around 63% of the budget, discretionary spending almost 30% and, despite low borrowing costs, net interests already consume 8% of the budget.

The United States budget is unsustainable however you want to look at it.

Projections for fiscal year 2023 show outlays of $5.9 trillion. Outlays rose after the Covid-19 pandemic. However, instead of bringing them back to pre-pandemic level, expenses have been consolidated and annualized. The U.S. budget had already an expense problem earlier, as outlays rose above economic growth.

The same projections, courtesy of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, estimate a $1 trillion deficit even after considering a record $4.0 trillion in revenues.

There is no way in which the United States can cut the budget deficit to zero with higher taxes and revenues measures. It is impossible for the U.S. economy to generate a consolidated annual increase in tax receipts of $1 trillion over a cyclical high of $4.9 trillion. And this is only to bring the deficit to zero, it does not even start to address the much-needed net debt reduction.

Deficits are always a spending problem, because receipts are, by nature, cyclical and volatile, while spending becomes untouchable and increased every year.

The Neo-Keynesians will say that deficits do not matter, and debt is an asset for the rest of the world. If that were the case, why the obsession with massive tax hikes? Obviously, the idea that deficits and debt do not matter because they are constantly refinanced makes no sense. Deficits and debt matter because the confidence in the solvency of the state and its currency is predicated on its ability to manage debt to a level that does not scare off domestic and international investors. Debt is only an asset to others if the solvency of the issuing state is not under question.

The biggest problem is that the United states’ solvency and confidence are under question globally. Central banks are reducing exposure to U.S. Treasuries as a reserve asset precisely because of diminishing confidence in the public accounts as well as rising concerns about the safety and strength of government bonds as a safe haven. In 2022, many central banks saw their reserves collapse due to the decline in value of Treasuries.

The entire Neo-Keynesian fallacy is based on the idea that the state can always absorb more wealth from the private sector at no cost. However, that cost is already evident. Inflation is here, and it is a direct consequence of years of monetization of government debt. Furthermore, the dangerous cocktail includes high inflation, rising taxes and increasing debt. There is no improvement in the public accounts even with record receipts. Inflation is not reducing the overall debt level because deficit spending rises alongside consumer prices, even higher.

The world is questioning the United States’ public finances and that is why Congress needs to act and reign on spending. If things continue this way, discretionary spending will reach $2.5 trillion in a decade, and deficit spending will still be half a trillion US dollars at the end of the same period even if the economy grows without recessions or crisis years, a true impossibility, and employment does not suffer.

The United States budget is completely unsustainable, and the problem is elevated and wasteful spending. If Congress does not work to curb spending, the global confidence on the U.S. debt is likely to slump, and higher monetization will only make things worse because it will destroy confidence in the entire monetary system starting with the currency.

Maintaining these enormous fiscal imbalances will not be solved by raising taxes. It is impossible to add $1 trillion revenues every year all the time. Furthermore, higher receipts would also lead to governments feeling comfortable and spending even more.

The gigantic fiscal imbalances of the United States are putting the U.S. dollar and the safety of the national debt at risk. There is nothing social about destroying a currency’s reserve status and a bond’s attractiveness for investors.

If politicians really care about the U.S. citizens and their welfare, they should defend the currency and the solvency of the public accounts. Any other measure will only make the debt ticking bomb explode earlier in the face of our sons and daughters.
2022 was a warning sign that debunked the myth of eternal monetization of debt with low inflation. It is time to be serious.

Higher debt means more taxes, weaker growth, and weaker real wages in the future. High deficit spending is not a tool for growth, but a tool for cronyism and a burden on the future.
 

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15 years is about the right time-frame for de-dollarization I think, but Rubio is talking about a different phenomena.

US Sanctions are going to become less and less effective in the future (indeed they already have), because the playbook is pretty much well-known at this point. The potential consequences of US sanctions are already accounted for in any State's decision making process. Indeed, Russia expected sanctions and took appropriate measures, but they didn't expect the West to escalate to such a high point.

But that's the thing, United States has to rely on economic escalation which comes at increasing economic costs to itself, in order to hurt its adversaries. As United States engages in more and more sanctions, it ironically, ends up isolating itself. Note the difficulty and diplomatic muscle that United States has to exert in order to get its allies to sanction China. And these sanctions are extremely limited in their scope compared to Russian or Iranian sanctions.

So Rubio is correct. It may even happen sooner. The reliance of United States on sanctions has resulted in vast overuse of economic coercion, to a point that it's becoming detrimental to its own economy. Especially as China has become the largest trade partner for a lot of the Global South. In fact, the only reason sanctions on the Russian Federation are even as effective as they are now, is because China is willing to play ball with the "International System". As soon as that breaks down, the US ability to effectively sanction independent states will become much more limited.
"The more you sanction the more leverage you lose. Sanctions free our hand "

Putin
 

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Lordstown Motors, sensational US "EV startup",
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. Both Rivian and Lucid have failed to meet earlier production goals as they contended with parts shortages and manufacturing problems.



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“People who are new to the business think this is temporary,” said a partner at one Silicon Valley fund. “It will dawn on them that the world has changed.”
 

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“People who are new to the business think this is temporary,” said a partner at one Silicon Valley fund. “It will dawn on them that the world has changed.”

I wonder what kind of impact the tech war has had on these tech start ups.

The tech war is not a positive. It increases cost.

More costs, the faster the burn rate for the start up.

But they are too dumb to understand that in Washington DC.

If Biden calls Xi a dictator, then those elected officials are happy.

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Lordstown Motors, sensational US "EV startup",
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“People who are new to the business think this is temporary,” said a partner at one Silicon Valley fund. “It will dawn on them that the world has changed.”

These are people who don't do research and just follow stock prices.

The clock is ticking down. SoftBank-backed robot pizza-maker Zume shut down this month despite raising nearly $500mn in venture capital. And Tiger Global is taking bids on a chunk of its portfolio companies. The companies that are able to raise money, even at a big discount to their last funding round, will be the lucky ones.

I find it highly unlikely that this venture ever warranted half a billion to begin with. Venture Capital has been over-funding start-ups in a vain hope of finding the next Amazon or Apple. Investors are either going to learn how to do actual research or they'll need to leave the space altogether. Both of which are a good thing.

Sorry, but record-breaking VC funding rounds are not an indicator of a healthy economy. Quite the contrary, it was always a sign of bad research because of the kind of non-sense that got funded. This is why interest-rates should've been raised a long time ago even if it resulted in an economic contraction. Unproductive investments should not be funded, and we have been riding the sugar-high of low-interest rates way past the point of when the economy was needing the extra boost.
 

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Major recession imminent in West – HSBC​

The US economy may contract as soon as this year with Western Europe to follow in 2024, the bank warned


The US is projected to enter recession in the fourth quarter of 2023, the British banking giant HSBC said on Tuesday, adding that Western European countries would face a downturn as soon as next year.

According to the midyear outlook issued by HSBC Asset Management, recession cautions are “flashing red” for many economies as stock and bond markets are “out of sync” with fiscal and monetary policies.

While some parts of the economy are still resilient, the balance of risks “points to high recession risk now,” with Europe lagging behind the US but the macro trajectory generally “aligned,” the bank’s global chief strategist Joseph Little said in the report.

“Our central scenario is for recession in western economies, and a difficult, choppy outlook for markets,” Little projected, citing two reasons behind the outlook.

“First, we have the rapid tightening of financial conditions that’s caused a downturn in the credit cycle. Second, markets do not appear to be pricing a particularly pessimistic view of the world,” the strategist added.
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The warning came a week after the Bank of England (BoE) moved to lift rates to 5%, the highest level in 15 years, as sticky inflation keeps eroding the British economy. In May, the US Federal Reserve announced another hike of the key interest rate to 5.25%, the highest since 2007. At the same time, the European Central Bank (ECB) raised the Eurozone’s key rate to 3.75% in an attempt to curb raging inflation.

Despite the hawkish tone adopted by Western regulators, HSBC Asset Management expects the US Fed to slash rates before the end of the current year, with the ECB and the BoE following suit next year.

“The recession is not going to be big enough to really purge all inflation pressures out of the system. As a result, this points to a regime of somewhat higher inflation and interest rates over time,” Little concluded.
 
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