Aircraft Carriers III

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It took an Italian F35A from the Azores islands to Patuxent River MD about 7 hours It takes a commercial flight about the same excluding take off and transfer at JFK.
The biggest difference is the routes and Altitude. I don't know the routes craft or Situation that Intrepid is talking about but it makes little sense.
 
It took an Italian F35A from the Azores islands to Patuxent River MD about 7 hours It takes a commercial flight about the same excluding take off and transfer at JFK.
The biggest difference is the routes and Altitude. I don't know the routes craft or Situation that Intrepid is talking about but it makes little sense.
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9:00pm - 6:45am +1 Flight spans 1 day
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Delta
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5h 45m (Nonstop)
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Departure airport: JFK - Arrival airport: PDL



9:00pm to 6:45am 5h 45m Overnight · Arrives Fri, Jun 8
New York to Ponta Delgada
John F. Kennedy Intl. (JFK) to Joao Paulo II (PDL)
Delta 417
Premium Economy
Boeing 757-200 | Dinner
Total distance
2,558 mi
 
Bottom line is when a MilJet is on a ferry flight, they're not in that much of a hurry to get there and fuel economy is a factor. When you're carrying ordnance for delivery to a hostile customer, that's a whole different story. Anyway, THEY'RE HERE!
pictures now:
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Stunning photos of the UK F-35s in flight over the Atlantic today via
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Today at 8:11 AM
Marines Won’t Need a Carrier for High-End Fight With MUX Unmanned System
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a long article, mostly mulling a drone instead of a Hawkeye; "... the 2022 or 2023 timeframe ... for the beginning of MUX procurement if the technology develops fast enough"
more about the cost (my #1 topic hahaha) found inside
Marines' Ship-Launched Mega-Drone May Not Carry Weapons After All
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"As far as how much money the Marines will get to execute their MUX vision, much is still unknown. Walsh pointed out that the Congress earmarked $10 million for early MUX development in its version of the still-to-be-finalized FY19 defense budget bill, while the Senate Armed Services Committee allowed a much more generous $100 million for the program. The bill is still awaiting conference to reconcile to two versions."
etc.
 
related to my armchair admiralling in this thread Saturday at 3:58 PM
to elaborate on my statement you quoted

(it's Wednesday at 7:13 AM
)

and commenting on what you said:

for me it's a question of what should've been done differently for the US to be even stronger now;

first option had been to forget those 'game changers = Fords, Zuwalts, LCS here', instead building more Nimitzes
Mar 31, 2017

more Burkes (the post right above), and
keeping (plus modernizing) the OHPs

second option had been to throw money at those 'game changers', to avoid for example Aug 27, 2016


what in fact happened, though, is the USN was shrinking (I clipped this:
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out of
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and 'game changers' clogging the shipyards, as in At Bath, a destroyer’s keel is laid more than a year behind schedule
May 16
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just my thoughts from the middle of Europe
I'll keep watching
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The US Navy’s fleet is getting old. It might get a lot older.
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The U.S. Navy is considering extending the service life of all its ships by at least seven years, and could stretch the life of some ships by 13 years, according to an internal document produced by
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The analysis, first obtained by the
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, shows that as part of the Navy’s effort to
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, the service is eyeing extending the lives of the non-nuclear surface ships in the fleet. It also means some active ships could be as much as 53 years old.

The letter, which qualifies that the extended service lives are contingent on following class maintenance plans, proposes extending the early Arleigh Burke destroyers to 45 years and the Flight IIAs to between 46 and 50 years. It
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could be extended to between 42 and 52 years; littoral combat ships to between 32 and 35 years, up from 25 years; and the amphibious assault ships to as long as 53 years.

The document raises questions about how exactly the Navy would accomplish the extended service lives on its heavily used surface combatants and amphibious ships, especially platforms such as the cruisers that the Navy has proposed in recent past be decommissioned citing burdensome maintenance and upkeep costs. The average cruiser, for example, is almost pushing 30 years old. The oldest destroyers, the Fight I Arleigh Burkes without a helicopter hanger, are between 21 and 27 years old.

The costs of owning the aging platforms is only going to increase every extra year the ships are in service. But foremost among the concerns, experts say, is what it would take to keep the combat systems functioning and relevant into the future.

In a statement, the Navy declined to comment on the document but said it was exploring options for expanding the fleet.

“What I can tell you is that we are looking at a number of options to increase our fleet to 355,” said Navy spokesperson Lt. Lauren Chatmas. “Along with new ship construction, we are also considering balancing this with extending the service life of existing platforms.

“As stated In the FY19 shipbuilding plan, the Navy continues to aggressively pursue options to accelerate the achievement of the 355-ship Navy. While there are a number of options, there are no finalized decisions.”

A Band-Aid

Experts largely agreed that the ships could reasonably expect to make it to the ages listed in the document but with the caveat that there would be major issues keeping the ship’s relevant weapons.

“If you look at those numbers, they seem reasonable to me from the hull, mechanical and electrical perspective,” said Bryan Clark, a retired submarine officer and analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment. “The issue you would run into would be combat systems obsolescence.”

The cruisers and destroyers weren’t designed with easy combat systems upgrades in mind and to keep the platforms relevant the Navy would almost have to budget in a major combat systems upgrade, Clark said. Otherwise, Navy leaders would have to figure out new ways of using the ships. This could include using them as floating arsenals and using more modern ships and aircraft to acquire and relay targeting data to the older ones.

Thomas Callendar, another retired submariner and analyst with the Heritage Foundation, said the idea of extending the lives of the non-nuclear fleet to grow the fleet was reasonable but funding is absolutely an issue.

“It’s a Band-Aid we are putting on to add capacity in the near term,” Callendar said. “But in the long term we need to look at what the costs are to maintain these things. It’s just going to get more expensive. You get to a point where it gets cost prohibitive to keep these systems going.”

Bryan McGrath, a retired destroyer skipper and head of the defense consultancy The FerryBridge Group, agreed the ships could make the proposed life span but that there seems to be very little appetite inside the Defense Department to spend money just to boost ship numbers.

“If we gave those ships to Turkey, or to Colombia they would get to 50 years,” McGrath “I’m completely in agreement that you could get those ships to 50 years. The question is money and I still have seen very little from the Administration that leads me to believe that ship numbers is a priority.”

“It doesn’t matter what President Trump says at the Naval Academy about 355 ships, what matters is what DoD’s priorities are. And so far, [Defense Secretary Jim] Mattis has prioritized readiness and capabilities over ship numbers.”
 
Thursday at 8:47 PM
Today at 8:11 AM
more about the cost (my #1 topic hahaha) found inside
Marines' Ship-Launched Mega-Drone May Not Carry Weapons After All
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:

"As far as how much money the Marines will get to execute their MUX vision, much is still unknown. Walsh pointed out that the Congress earmarked $10 million for early MUX development in its version of the still-to-be-finalized FY19 defense budget bill, while the Senate Armed Services Committee allowed a much more generous $100 million for the program. The bill is still awaiting conference to reconcile to two versions."
etc.
and here's FlighGlobal story
USMC reveals new details of MUX acquisition plan
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A new fleet of unmanned, vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) aircraft that could be acquired in two years and fielded by 2025 by the US Marine Corps will be tasked and equipped for a wide range of combat, surveillance and support missions.

The US Marine Corps released a vision for the proposed MUX fleet in planning documents posted on an acquisition web site on 4 June.

The documents reveal a plan to test the abilities of industry competitors, which include the Bell V-247 Vigilant tiltrotor and Northrop Grumman Tern tailsitter, to deliver a new fleet of large and versatile aircraft on an aggressive schedule.

The USMC plans to make an acquisition decision by 2020, according to the documents. The first aircraft should be ready to deploy from a land base with an “early operational capability” by 2025. More capabilities for the land-based fleet should be rolled out in two years. The first ship-based deployment should come in 2029, the USMC acquisition planning documents show.

The aircraft must be capable of reaching a higher speed (300kt) and altitude (25,000ft) than the USMC’s manned MV-22B Osprey tiltrotors, plus land vertically and operate from ships. The aircraft must be able to carry up to 1,360kg (3,000lb) of payload internally as a threshold requirement, and loiter on station up to 350nm from the base for eight to 12h. It also must be able to hover out of ground effect at 6,000ft on a 35℃ (95°F) day.

The USMC wants the MUX to perform a broad set of missions, according to the new acquisition documents. It would finally provide a high-speed armed escort aircraft for the MV-22B, carrying a load of eight Lockheed Martin AGM-114 Hellfire missiles. It could also carry other weapons for different missions, including an anti-radiation missile for an electronic warfare mission and air-to-air missiles for an airborne early warning mission.

The USMC also wants the MUX to provide a variety of surveillance and communications services for Marines on the ground and for the amphibious ready group afloat. The aircraft would have to carry an electro-optical/infrared sensor during any mission, but the USMC also desires a sophisticated radar and potentially advanced sensors, including hyperspectral.

In still other missions, the USMC envisions the MUX operating as a cargo aircraft, ferrying supplies to force reconnaissance units on the ground.

Bell has proposed configurations of the V-247 weighing more than 13,600kg, but the USMC wants the MUX to occupy no more space on a carrier deck than a Bell UH-1Y Venom with its helicopter blades folded, the documents show.
 

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Bottom line is when a MilJet is on a ferry flight, they're not in that much of a hurry to get there and fuel economy is a factor. When you're carrying ordnance for delivery to a hostile customer, that's a whole different story. Anyway, THEY'RE HERE!

Exactly, airliners are maximized for very high sub-sonic speeds and maximum range, that means high altitude with high aspect ratio wings,,, the fighter on the other hand has shorter wings for maneuvering in the low and medium altitudes, only EuroFighter and Raptor are true high altitude athletes..

back to the point, the military fighter aircraft on a ferry flight is maximizing range, and must refuel multiple times, those refuelings require "meeting tankers" where its most convenient for the tankers to "stage"... I believe the Marines Pacific crossing involved refueling 8 times, it was a bunch, because of the large reserve required for "overwater" flights and likely imposed by the USAF.

The point is, each refueling requires the "meet up", the "hook up", and then the "join up", as the formations flys to the tankers, breaks up, refuels, then re-joins,,, that would probably take 20 to 30 minutes in good weather for a four ship...
 
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