Aircraft Carriers III

Jeff Head

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For 2 first no doubt and also for my friend Popeye ;)


5 Best Aircraft Carriers of All Time


The real litmus test for any man-of-war is its capacity to fulfill the missions for which it was built. In that sense George Washington, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, may not be "superior" to USS America, the U.S. Navy's latest amphibious helicopter carrier, or to Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force "helicopter destroyers"—a.k.a. light aircraft carriers—despite a far more lethal air wing and other material attributes.

Anyone who's tried to compare one piece of kit—ships, aircraft, weaponry of various types—to another will testify to how hard this chore is. Ranking aircraft carriers is no exception. Consulting the pages of Jane's Fighting Ships or Combat Fleets of the World sheds some light on the problem. For instance, a flattop whose innards house a nuclear propulsion plant boasts virtually unlimited cruising range, whereas a carrier powered by fossil fuels is tethered to its fuel source. As Alfred Thayer Mahan puts it, a conventional warship bereft of bases or a coterie of logistics ships is a "land bird" unable to fly far from home.

Or, size matters. The air wing—the complement of interceptors, attack planes and support aircraft that populate a carrier's decks—comprise its main battery or primary armament. The bigger the ship, the bigger the hangar and flight decks that accommodate the air wing.


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Nor, as U.S. Navy carrier proponents like to point out, is the relationship between a carrier's tonnage and number of aircraft it can carry strictly linear. Consider two carriers that dominate headlines in Asia. Liaoning, the Chinese navy's refitted Soviet flattop, displaces about sixty-five thousand tons and sports twenty-six fixed-wing combat aircraft and twenty-four helicopters. Not bad. USS George Washington, however, tips the scales at around one hundred thousand tons but can operate some eighty-five to ninety aircraft.

And the disparity involves more than raw numbers of airframes. George Washington's warplanes are not just more numerous but generally more capable than their Chinese counterparts. U.S. flattops boast steam catapults to vault larger, heavier-laden aircraft into the wild blue. Less robust carriers use ski jumps to launch aircraft. That limits the size, fuel capacity, and weapons load—and thus the range, flight times and firepower—of their air wings. Larger, more capable carriers, then, can accommodate a larger, more capable, and changing mixes of aircraft with greater ease than their lesser brethren. Aircraft carriers' main batteries were modular before modular was cool.

And yet straight-up comparisons can mislead. The real litmus test for any man-of-war is its capacity to fulfill the missions for which it was built. In that sense George Washington, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, may not be "superior" to USS America, the U.S. Navy's latest amphibious helicopter carrier, or to Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force "helicopter destroyers"—a.k.a. light aircraft carriers—despite a far more lethal air wing and other material attributes. Nor do carriers meant to operate within range of shore-based fire support—tactical aircraft, anti-ship missiles—necessarily need to measure up to a Washington on a one-to-one basis. Land-based implements of sea power can be the great equalizer. Like any weapon system, then, a great carrier does the job for which it was designed superbly.

And lastly, there's no separating the weapon from its user. A fighting ship isn't just a hunk of steel but a symbiosis of crewmen and materiel. The finest aircraft carrier is one that's both well-suited to its missions and handled with skill and derring-do when and where it matters most. Those three indices—brute material capability, fitness for assigned missions, a zealous crew—are the indices for this utterly objective, completely indisputable list of the Top Five Aircraft Carriers of All Time.

5. USS Midway (CV-41):

Now a museum ship on the San Diego waterfront, Midway qualifies for this list less for great feats of arms than for longevity, and for being arguably history's most versatile warship. In all likelihood she was the most modified. Laid down during World War II, the flattop entered service just after the war. During the Cold War she received an angled flight deck, steam catapults, and other trappings befitting a supercarrier. Indeed, Midway's service spanned the entire Cold War, winding down after combat action against Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 1991. Sheer endurance and flexibility entitles the old warhorse to a spot on this list.

4. USS Franklin (CV-13):

If Midway deserves a place mainly for technical reasons, the Essex-class carrier Franklin earns laurels for the resiliency of her hull and fortitude of her crew in battle. She was damaged in heavy fighting at Leyte Gulf in 1944. After refitting at Puget Sound Navy Yard, the flattop returned to the Western Pacific combat theater. In March 1945, having ventured closer to the Japanese home islands than any carrier to date, she fell under surprise assault by a single enemy dive bomber. Two semi-armor-piercing bombs penetrated her decks. The ensuing conflagration killed 724 and wounded 265, detonated ammunition below decks, and left the ship listing 13 degrees to starboard. One hundred six officers and 604 enlisted men remained on board voluntarily, bringing Franklin safely back to Pearl Harbor and thence to Brooklyn Navy Yard. Her gallantry in surviving such a pounding and returning to harbor merits the fourth position on this list.

3. Akagi:

Admiral Chuichi Nagumo's flagship serves as proxy for the whole Pearl Harbor strike force, a body composed of all six Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) frontline carriers and their escorts. Nagumo's was the most formidable such force of its day. Commanders and crewmen, moreover, displayed the audacity to do what appeared unthinkable—strike at the U.S. Pacific Fleet at its moorings thousands of miles away. Extraordinary measures were necessary to pull off such a feat. For example, freshwater tanks were filled with fuel to extend the ships' range and make a transpacific journey possible—barely.

The Pearl Harbor expedition exposed logistical problems that plagued the IJN throughout World War II. Indeed, Japan's navy never fully mastered the art of underway replenishment or built enough logistics ships to sustain operations far from home. As a result, Nagumo's force had too little time on station off Oahu to wreck the infrastructure the Pacific Fleet needed to wage war. And, admittedly, Akagi was lost at the Battle of Midway, not many months after it scaled the heights of operational excellence. Still, you have to give Akagi and the rest of the IJN task force their due. However deplorable Tokyo's purposes in the Pacific, her aircraft-carrier force ranks among the greatest of all time for sheer boldness and vision.

2. HMS Hermes (now the Indian Navy's Viraat):

It's hard to steam thousands of miles into an enemy's environs, fight a war on his ground, and win. And yet the Centaur-class flattop Hermes, flagship of a hurriedly assembled Royal Navy task force, pulled it off during the Falklands War of 1982. Like Midway, the British carrier saw repeated modifications, most recently for service as an anti-submarine vessel in the North Atlantic. Slated for decommissioning, her air wing was reconfigured for strike and fleet-air-defense missions when war broke out in the South Atlantic. For flexibility, and for successfully defying the Argentine contested zone, Hermes rates second billing here.

1. USS Enterprise (CV-6):

Having joined the Pacific Fleet in 1939, the Yorktown-class carrier was fortunate to be at sea on December 7, 1941, and thus to evade Nagumo's bolt from the blue. Enterprise went on to become the most decorated U.S. Navy ship of World War II, taking part in eighteen of twenty major engagements of the Pacific War. She sank, or helped sink, three IJN carriers and a cruiser at the Battle of Midway in 1942; suffered grave damage in the Solomons campaign, yet managed to send her air wing to help win the climatic Naval Battle of Guadalcanal; and went on to fight in such engagements as the Philippine Sea, Leyte Gulf, and Okinawa. That's the stuff of legend. For compiling such a combat record, Enterprise deserves to be known as history's greatest aircraft carrier

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Agree.

Enterprise is the best record.

Her battle stars and decorations were not just the most of any US Navy ship in World War II, they were the most of any US Navy ship in our history.

I wish they would have preserved her. If any carrier deserved...she did.

But...that does not mean she, or the JApanese Hyuga, or the US LHA AMerica are more capable than any of the US Nimitz class carriers.

It is their amazing strgength and capability that has helped maintain the peace all of these years.

...and the Ford class are going to continue that legacy as soon as they are outfitted, and completely worked up to full opertional capability.
 

Jeff Head

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Very nice Master Jeff,,,,,no pressure but we'd like to start those sea trials on March 15th!

I always get a kick out of all the 'craze" over the dates and the in-evitable "slippage" that we always experience with every new "high zoot" capability, thinking of the Ford. We always would rather have it yesterday?? I guess that just the "necessary tension", but I always wonder if things couldn't be a little more functional if folks had a little more time to work all the angles???
There is SO much new on the Ford...new reactors, (each over 200% more powerful than their predecessors), and all new all-electric system and drive, new electromagnetic catapults, new electromagnetic trapping of aircraft, an all new island, new berthing, new weapons stores and handling, one less elevator with a new deck layout, they intend to ultimately add rail guns and lasers for self defense with all that additional electric power available.

They have to document all of this, test it, write up the SOPs and the operational theory for all of it.

I expect for such a new class carrier with so much innovation for the trials, the testing, the commissioning, etc. to all take up much more time than the later Nimitz class took.

Each Ford class will take less as they go along...but the Nimitz class did not nearly have as high a hill to climb. With the Kitty Hawk class and the Enterprise coming before and all of the technology being so close to those carriers we already had...it just did not take as long.

This is ALL NEW.

They will have and are having similar issues with the Zumwalts, and even the LCS. Both of those are all new classes.

Anyhow, I am not nearly as worried, particularly now that we have grown ups in charge once again.

God bless you my friend...let's be patient.

I hope to see it and be allowed to live long enough to see the tirlas and thin initial IOC for the Ford. I would view it as a real treat and tender mercy from God to live long enough to see the new Enterprise launched...but am not counting on it...hehehe, at least not in the flesh!

Either way, these are going to be awesome vessels...and they will be an ordr or two of magnitude better than anyone else's vessels, although the UK will have similar issues with the new QEs...but still no where near the new technologies being introduced there.
 
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in the Channel as I write:
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(the tug in the middle of it, in the tiny dotted box in the above map)

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... and here's an update:
the press release
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says a part of the air wing has already left for
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etc.; both taking off and landing pictures, videos inside
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FORBIN

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Charles de Gaulle RCOH begin very soon as planned i have see tomorrow she have a service life of 40 years.

After RCOH modernisation can host 30 Rafale right now 30 fighters with Super-Etendard 24 Rafale maximum.

Porte-avions Charles de Gaulle : 30 Rafale M
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In Toulon, the "Charles de Gaulle" will undergo a major overhaul

At mid-life (it was commissioned in 2001), the only French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle is preparing to enter the basin, in the arsenal of Toulon, in order to undergo the most important overhaul of her career. A site which should immobilize it for 18 to 24 months, depriving France - at least until December 2018 - therefore, of one of the centerpieces of its armed forces and reopening at the same time the debate on the need to dispose of Of a second ship of the same type.

Complete revision
The work will be on the ship as a platform, including the regeneration of all its facilities, a complete overhaul of its nuclear machinery (two reactors), propeller shafts, power grid and Cogite stabilization system From the building to the sea. They will also cover the combat system with a retrofit of different sensors, sensors, radars and telecommunications. Finally, the ship will be put to the standard "all Rafale" with the dismantling of the installations which made it possible to implement the SEM (Super Etendard Modernized) fighter-bomber now removed from service.
During the detention of Charles de Gaulle, Rafale pilots should be able to retain their skills in landing and catapulting by operating from US aircraft carriers

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now noticed Russian journalists
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"revealed" today the cost of the Admiral Kuznetsov deployment to the Med most recently; since I personally think such an info has no sense (considering where it's coming from :) I'll just tell you it's, according to the above link, about $150m and most of it was for the two lost aircraft ... I'll leave the rest for the The National Interest LOL
 

FORBIN

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Charles de Gaulle RCOH begin very soon as planned i have see tomorrow she have a service life of 40 years.

After RCOH modernisation can host 30 Rafale right now 30 fighters with Super-Etendard 24 Rafale maximum.

Porte-avions Charles de Gaulle : 30 Rafale M
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In Toulon, the "Charles de Gaulle" will undergo a major overhaul

At mid-life (it was commissioned in 2001), the only French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle is preparing to enter the basin, in the arsenal of Toulon, in order to undergo the most important overhaul of her career. A site which should immobilize it for 18 to 24 months, depriving France - at least until December 2018 - therefore, of one of the centerpieces of its armed forces and reopening at the same time the debate on the need to dispose of Of a second ship of the same type.

Complete revision
The work will be on the ship as a platform, including the regeneration of all its facilities, a complete overhaul of its nuclear machinery (two reactors), propeller shafts, power grid and Cogite stabilization system From the building to the sea. They will also cover the combat system with a retrofit of different sensors, sensors, radars and telecommunications. Finally, the ship will be put to the standard "all Rafale" with the dismantling of the installations which made it possible to implement the SEM (Super Etendard Modernized) fighter-bomber now removed from service.
During the detention of Charles de Gaulle, Rafale pilots should be able to retain their skills in landing and catapulting by operating from US aircraft carriers

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French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle starts mid-life refit

French Navy’s nuclear-powered aircraft carrier FS Charles de Gaulle has entered dry dock in the Toulon navy base to start its mid life refit.


The undertaking will be led by DGA (French armament procurement agency), the French Navy’s Fleet Support Department and the aircraft carrier’s crew in collaboration with shipbuilder DCNS.

If all goes according to plans, the refit should be completed in 18 months, according to the French Navy.

FS Charles de Gaulle starts the overhaul after 41,000 performed sorties and sailing the equivalent of 30 trips around the world. The carrier also has three counter-Daesh deployments under its belt.

The ship will now be receiving a new combat system, improved IT networks and communications systems. Various changes to the sensors, early-warning radars, navigation radars, infrared sensors and optronic cameras are also on the list. The control room will also have to be refurbished to be able to house the SENIT combat management system.

FS Charles de Gaulle will also be adapted for the new carrier air wing, with a transition to “all-Rafale” operations after the modernised Super Etendard were withdrawn from service in March 2016. Deck-landing aid installations and target-motion systems will be replaced and upgraded in this process.

Other tasks will include nuclear reactors inspection and fuel replacement; shaft line inspections and catapult maintenance. The machinery will be inspected and the air conditioning systems and galley will be renovated.

According to the French Navy, more than 160 companies will participate in this undertaking, representing 4 million hours of work and nearly 200,000 scheduled tasks in nearly 100 trades. Work done on the carrier by its sailors will correspond to 25% of the overall works, the navy added

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