Aircraft Carriers III

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I think the navalized alligator is a GREAT idea for the Russians...and now for the Egyptians probably as well.

Heh! Heh! Heh, so Jeff would that be the "long nosed version" of the alligator with a bigger gun or radar, I thought that's what you said, then I had to go "wash my face to wake up", what immediately occurred to me were the "long nosed" P-40A and B, as opposed to the later P-40C's with a shorter nose! Hope you're having a great day brother, sorry I missed you last night.

I was on the bus 4 nights this week for basketball games, I watched my 6th basketball game last night in the last 5 days?? so some pundits may pick up on the "long nosed alligator". The alligator was the first die-cast aircraft model I bought for my grandson, it is a very "snarky chopper", eh???
 
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May 24, 2016

now NAVSEA: Ford Carrier Advanced Arresting Gear Testing Shows Promise

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found this (dated December 1, 2016 2:10 PM though):
Advanced Arresting Gear System Successfully Completes First Fly-In Aircraft Recovery
General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems (GA-EMS) announced Dec. 1 that the Advanced Arresting Gear (AAG) system successfully completed the first fly-in aircraft recovery of an F/A-18E Super Hornet on Oct. 13 at the Runway Arrested Landing Site at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, N.J. The F/A-18E fly-in recovery follows more than 200 successful roll-in test arrestments at the site since March, and more than 1,300 dead-load arrestments.

“This marks another significant milestone in the successful demonstration and verification of AAG’s performance and capability,” said Scott Forney, president of GA-EMS. “We’re tracking to a very aggressive testing schedule, and this fly-in recovery marks a major step toward AAG readiness for onboard testing on the Pre-Commissioning Unit Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78).”

AAG is a turbo-electric system designed for controlled and reliable deceleration of aircraft recovery operations on carriers. AAG is installed o-board CVN 78 along with the GA-EMS Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS), which uses electromagnetic technology to launch aircraft from the deck of naval aircraft carriers. EMALS has successfully completed system testing on CVN 78.

“The fly-in recovery of the F/A-18 Super Hornet illustrates AAG’s capabilities to perform as predicted, under conditions similar to today’s carrier operations,” said Andy Gibbs, AAG chief engineer at GA-EMS. “We’re collecting data to support the development of an Aircraft Recovery Bulletin, a critical step toward arresting the aircraft on CVN 78. We look forward to continuing success as the AAG system undergoes planned testing activities for additional aircraft types and models.”
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Another jet crashes attempting to land on Russian aircraft carrier
A Russian SU-33 aircraft crashed on December 3 while attempting to land on the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, according to a report by The Aviationist.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has confirmed that the Su-33 fighter jet skidded off the dock after the arresting cable broke.

The pilot sustained no injuries and was brought onboard the ship by rescuers, it added.

This is the second jet the Russian Navy has lost since the start of the aircraft carrier’s Mediterranean Sea flight operations.

Less than three weeks ago, a MiG-29K crashed after running out of fuel while it was waiting for clearance to land.

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has shown that the cause of the first incident was the main arresting cable that snapped after the second of three aircraft landed. The last MiG was directed not to land until the deck was cleared for landing. Russian engineers on the flight deck were not fast enough as the the aircraft’s engines shut down after they stopped taking in fuel causing the aircraft to start rapidly decelerating and eventually forcing the pilot to eject.

A video from 2011 shows a Sukhoi Su-33 Flanker attempting to catch the wire on Admiral Kuznetsov. The pilot managed to resume flight after an unsuccessful landing attempt.

This article was updated to include a confirmation of the incident by the Russian MoD.
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Russian Su-33 crashed in the Mediterranean while attempting to land on Kuznetsov aircraft carrier
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the most recent I found in Russian Internet
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says they don't blame the pilot nor the aircraft, but the cable, which was new though ...
 

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Russian Su-33 crashed in the Mediterranean while attempting to land on Kuznetsov aircraft carrier
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Reason mentioned now :
Broken arresting gear (Su-33 loss) was maiden. Flying deck crew changed it right before Su-33 landing. Quality is likely poor
 

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Agree fine gents :)

And yes, Russians and Chinese are the 2 new for this stuff, Russians a little more " experimented " 4-5 deployments for Kuznetsov, Liaoning never deployed right now train only but we can see a progression, they have a lot of resources, budget, money Russia don' t have ; and learn fast despite that they are still far from being able to accomplish embarked operations which need a great mastery, like USA, France remains to see British later after 10 years but normally they have fundamentals, an history which can help

For end 2020's China go for 3 CV whose 1 CATOBAR normaly and possible also same for India it is the match... in the main Naval Theater now..

I wouldn't place french and US carrier ops in same category.
French are good, doubtless, but US are just too much ahead.


I think the navalized alligator is a GREAT idea for the Russians...and now for the Egyptians probably as well.

After Mistral cancellation they kind of struck in the air.
Egypt deal saved them per se, but for Russian navy currently they are bag w/o hold. Neither surface combatants nor carrier don't need strike helicopter.

It's a shame, though, since Ka-52K is very interesting asset. For example, for its ability to carry 2 x-35 ASCMs.
 

Air Force Brat

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Another jet crashes attempting to land on Russian aircraft carrier

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and I've already posted the original report in
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the most recent I found in Russian Internet
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says they don't blame the pilot nor the aircraft, but the cable, which was new though ...

I can't wait to see the video of that ejection, those Russian Naval Aviator's are NOT Going to like this, two dead birds our of 10??? that's a 20% failure rate, per number of aircraft.

Two cable failures in a month??? that is bad news, thankfully God has been watching over those Russian Naval Aviator's, bet they are doing a lot of serious praying on each approach, Bless their hearts.
 

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IKE is entering the MED. Perhaps they can show the Russians how to operate an aircraft carrier...

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Release Date: 12/5/2016 10:44:00 AM

From USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) Public Affairs

SUEZ CANAL (NNS) -- The Dwight D. Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group (Ike CSG) entered the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of European allies and regional and coalition partners as part of a routine deployment, Dec. 4.

Aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)(Ike) transited the Suez Canal, accompanied by guided-missile destroyer USS Roosevelt (DDG 80) and guided-missile cruiser USS San Jacinto (CG 56), after five months of providing air support operations in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and conducting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the Arabian Gulf.

In support of OIR, the strike group joined coalition partners to conduct air strikes in Iraq and Syria. Since June 28, Ike with embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 3 completed 1,685 combat sorties and expended 1,581 ordnance from both the Arabian Gulf and Eastern Mediterranean Sea.

"The presence of the Ike CSG in the Mediterranean demonstrates the capability of the U.S. Navy to conduct precision strikes on ISIL targets in support of Operation Inherent Resolve from multiple theaters," said Rear Adm. James Malloy, commander, CSG 10. "It highlights the mobility, flexibility, and power projection capability of the Navy's globally-deployed force. And with a mobile and sustainable warship like this aircraft carrier and with our strike group cruisers and destroyers, we can operate where and when we choose and take the fight to the enemy, whether it is in the Arabian Gulf or Mediterranean Sea."
 

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Russian Su-33 crashed in the Mediterranean while attempting to land on Kuznetsov aircraft carrier
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Reason mentioned now :

Main thing fortunately the pilot is ok but facts are and no one can say the opposite this deployment Is a failure Russians tinker with embarked operations which are very dangerous ... in more when we see Su-33 in a ground base no comments :rolleyes:
 

FORBIN

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I can't wait to see the video of that ejection, those Russian Naval Aviator's are NOT Going to like this, two dead birds our of 10??? that's a 20% failure rate, per number of aircraft.

Two cable failures in a month??? that is bad news, thankfully God has been watching over those Russian Naval Aviator's, bet they are doing a lot of serious praying on each approach, Bless their hearts.
No 10
Before the losses 14 - 15 : ;)
4 or 5 Mig-29K/KUB
10 Su-33
 

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News Max said:
A second Russian jet has crashed while trying to land on the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov after a combat mission over Syria. A similar accident occurred less than a month ago.

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on Monday, the Russian Defense Ministry said a Sukhoi-33 fighter jet crashed in the Mediterranean Sea while attempting to land on the carrier. The pilot ejected safely.

After performing a combat mission over Syria a Sukhoi-33 fighter-jet overran the runway while trying to land on The Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. The arresting cable's rupture was the reason," said the defense ministry.

The defense ministry said that despite the incident, the carrier's lead group continued "operating in the Mediterranean in accordance with the long voyage plan," wrote TASS.

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magazine, on Nov. 13 a Russian Navy Mikoyan MiG-29KR/KUBR fighter crashed in the Mediterranean during operations from the Admiral Kuznetsov. A source told Combat Aircraft that the fighter was returning from a mission flown over Syria when it crashed.

Russian Navy Aviation had hoped to evaluate its newly minted MiG-29KR/KUBR fighters and its modernized Sukhoi Su-33 with the deployment of the carrier to the eastern Mediterranean, noted Combat Aircraft.

"This latest crash is another blow to the Russians, who specifically brought the carrier to the Mediterranean so they could launch airstrikes against rebel-held areas of Aleppo," said Chris Summers of the
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"…The battle group has travelled from the North Sea through the English Channel in the biggest such naval deployment in recent years as part of Russia's military intervention in Syria. Russia has been flying a bombing campaign in Syria for the past year in support of President Assad and has deployed a naval contingent to back up its operation."
THe airwing is small to begin with and now they have lost two aircraft.

Look, high tempo operation of a carrier are togh and dangerous. The US trains and practises this stuff ALL THE TIME with their carriers and politos and those pilots have to maintain certain very high levels of expertise.

I doubt...in fact I know for sure...that the Russians do not maintain such a dedicated and intensive program.

I am sure thw Chinense are waatching and wil ensure that their own program is as intensive as it needs to be in order to be prepared for combat operations.

This is the permier combat operation for the Kuznetsov...IMHO, they were not ready, and probably did not even know that they were not ready to be able to avoid these kind of problems. Quite frankly it sounds like their maitnenace of the anding operations is simply below the standards it needs to be to be able to handle the amunt of traffic they are putting n it in this deployment.

Again, I am sure the PLAN is taking notes.
 
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