Aircraft Carriers III
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This further validates the concerns we all have with Russian Naval Aviation in general, and operating these fixed wing aircraft off the Admiral Kuz' s ramp. Life in Realville, with a combat load-out off the ramp and sufficient fuel for the mission at hand is a definite Krap-shoot.
Makes you "chuckle" a bit under your breath, doesn't it?? Similar concerns about the Liaoning, why the Chinese will likely go for a CatoBar carrier next.
To be honest, it brings home the veracity of our wise old "Sailor Man" reminding us all that operating aircraft off of a "ship at sea" is a very big deal, and requires excellent equipment, training, LOTS and LOTS OF MONEY!, and the very talented, dedicated "will to do it, and do it right the first time!
Having equipment that will take it, is after all, only a very small part of that equation. It does make what that USN does everyday take on the aura of a "three ring Naval and Aviation", "Flying Circus". Like a trapeze act, you've got to "be there" to catch the "showie part of the act", and likely won't get all the credit you have earned, but that's not just your job, its your "driving passion" in life!
after all that, it takes prayer, and trust in God, that at the end of the day, if things do go South, that He will be there to catch you, in His loving arms. Lots of Naval Aviators, and Sailor's have paid the ultimate price, and having the confidence in Him, that we are a force for good, and not evil in the world, give us that confidence!
Thank you AFB.
How will the Russians measure success on this deployment of the ADM"K"? If their mission was to show they could deploy the carrier from it's Arctic base to the MED near Syria and then bingo(shore base) the aircraft.. Well they were successful. If it was to show they could deploy the carrier and conduct strike missions regularly from the carrier.. well, so far the effort has been poor. Very poor.
It has always been my contention that it is difficult to conduct air strikes from a ski-ramp equipped carrier with CTOL aircraft...Now if the Russians had ever made their Yak-38s work properly the story may be different. Witness the Harriers in the Falklands.
How will the Russians measure success on this deployment of the ADM"K"? If their mission was to show they could deploy the carrier from it's Arctic base to the MED near Syria and then bingo(shore base) the aircraft.. Well they were successful. If it was to show they could deploy the carrier and conduct strike missions regularly from the carrier.. well, so far the effort has been poor. Very poor.
It has always been my contention that it is difficult to conduct air strikes from a ski-ramp equipped carrier with CTOL aircraft...Now if the Russians had ever made their Yak-38s work properly the story may be different. Witness the Harriers in the Falklands.
SamuraiBlue
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Well the Chinese must be infuriated revealing the true capability of their carriers as well in which they can't actually argue that theirs are different and/or superior.
Exactly. I was going to mention some of what you have stated but..well you know..anyway this deployment of the ADM"K" will possibly cement that the PLAN CV 002 will have catapult be it steam or EMALS.
From what I've seen of the PLAN CV it seems they are taking the USN approach to operating a CV. Which is excellent. Why not learn from the best?
However the ski ramp limits large aircraft, J-15s & Su-33s, in mission capability;
1) Ordnance payload
2) Range
In addition during any sort of deployment be it two days or two months even six months. Military aircraft need constant maintenance. Can the Chinese remove ,repair, test and re-install jet engines and other major components aboard CV-16 at sea? I'm very convinced that the PLAN can to some major repairs at sea. Jet Engines? Not so sure.
And what about re-fueling airborne aircraft during a deployment?. This is a must.
Exactly. I was going to mention some of what you have stated but..well you know..anyway this deployment of the ADM"K" will possibly cement that the PLAN CV 002 will have catapult be it steam or EMALS.
From what I've seen of the PLAN CV it seems they are taking the USN approach to operating a CV. Which is excellent. Why not learn from the best?
However the ski ramp limits large aircraft, J-15s & Su-33s, in mission capability;
1) Ordnance payload
2) Range
In addition during any sort of deployment be it two days or two months even six months. Military aircraft need constant maintenance. Can the Chinese remove ,repair, test and re-install jet engines and other major components aboard CV-16 at sea? I'm very convinced that the PLAN can to some major repairs at sea. Jet Engines? Not so sure.
And what about re-fueling airborne aircraft during a deployment?. This is a must.
absolutely, I have no doubt the Chinese are more serious about it than the Russians, but those "operating limitations" are real, even with the smaller Mig-29K!
Agree fine gents
And yes, Russians and Chinese are the 2 new for this stuff, Russians a little more " experimented " 4-5 deployments for Kuznetsov, Liaoning never deployed right now train only but we can see a progression, they have a lot of resources, budget, money Russia don' t have ; and learn fast despite that they are still far from being able to accomplish embarked operations which need a great mastery, like USA, France remains to see British later after 10 years but normally they have fundamentals, an history which can help
For end 2020's China go for 3 CV whose 1 CATOBAR normaly and possible also same for India it is the match... in the main Naval Theater now..
I think the navalized alligator is a GREAT idea for the Russians...and now for the Egyptians probably as well.
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