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harryRIEDL

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It seems the USN is moving towards an air wing concept similar to the RN's Tailored Air Group concept, increasing flexibility and keeping the carriers themselves relevent to the changing face of warfare. In future I would expect the composition of the rotary wing complement to be varies according to requirements, eg swapping a sqn of SeaHawks for a sqn of Ospreys for special forces insertion. The CVN may be closer to the scene of the problem than LHDs and the Ospreys could 'forward deploy to the CVN for an operation. Also the possibilities of allied deployments rises, with perhaps a sqn of NATO helos staying aboard for short spells as required. The key to the Carrier has always been flexibility, and perhaps this marks a new dawn for the flat tops.
I just wished that the USN had a wider variety of Helo's something bigger would have been handy something of the Seaking and EH101 size would have been useful for logistics and increased ASW range as Vikings are heading into retirement
 

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Seems with a little prodding I see some responses. Thanks!!

I agree with Obi Wan in that in the future we may see some cross decking between the RN and USN/USMC team. Don't be surprised if in the near future you see USMC Sea Harriers on board Invincible. And futher down the line possibly RAF(sic) F-35s on the new USN America Class LHA. We shall see.

Jeff sez;
I believe the greatest threat to the carrier group is still a sub, and believe that defense in depth (with a fast attack sub of their own, ASW escort vessels, a wing of ASW helos on the carrier for close-in prosecution, and a wing of long range ASW fixed wing aircraft) is still the best.

Agreed. Remember no USN CVN travels without the accompany of an LA class sub. Perhaps the best sub hunter of them all. But..the sub can't be everywhere and cover as much sea as an aircraft. I'm not sure but perhaps the reason the USN some years ago doubled the size of it's CVW helo squadrons is to give the battle group commander greater flexibility in ASW because of the retirement of the Vikings. Eventually as Jeff suggest we may see an MV-22 Osprey ASW variant. And an MV-22 AEW variant for the LHA/LHD ships.

But my own feeling is that the use of large numbers of rotary aircraft off a full deck carrier for close support work on any long term or regular basis is a waste of the resource.

Yes the CVN is a great asset. Perhaps the best conventional asset the US has in its war-fighting ability.
 

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I just wished that the USN had a wider variety of Helo's something bigger would have been handy something of the Seaking and EH101 size would have been useful for logistics and increased ASW range as Vikings are heading into retirement

Well the US are already buying a variant of the Merlin as the US-101 to replace the president's Sea Kings in the Marine-one role under the umbrella od Lockheed Martin, and although the initial prototypes are British made production examples are scheduled to be built in the US (last I heard anyway). Perhaps this production run could be extended to include ASW and utility models for the USN to complement the Sea Hawks currently in service, especially as the US carrier air wings are expanding their rotary wing components now and in the future. Merlin is after all possibly the best ASW helo in the world right now...;)
 

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Perhaps this production run could be extended to include ASW and utility models for the USN to complement the Sea Hawks currently in service, especially as the US carrier air wings are expanding their rotary wing components now and in the future.
I know the USN is updating it's fleet of SH-60s over the next few years to the multi mission capable MH-60R.

It appears the USN is definitely headed in that direction.

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Dimensions
Folded Length
12.5m
Folded Height
4.1m
Wheelbase
4.7m
Rotor Diameter
16.4m
Tail Rotor Diameter
3.3m
Take-Off Weight
10,206kg
Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) Gross Weight
10,170kg
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The Sikorsky MH-60R Seahawk multi-mission helicopter is the newest aircraft in the US Navy's fleet. It is replacing SH-60B and SH-60F helicopters and combines the capabilities of these aircraft.
"The Sikorsky MH-60R Seahawk multi-mission helicopter is the newest aircraft in the US Navy's fleet."
The helicopter is equipped for a range of missions including: anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASuW), search and rescue (SAR), naval gunfire support (NGFS), surveillance, communications relay, logistics support, personnel transfer and vertical replenishment (VERTREP). For vertical replenishment missions the helicopter is fitted with a 2,721.55kg (6,000lb) cargo hook. Lockheed Martin, Owego, is the mission systems integrator.
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The maiden flight of the MH-60R took place in July 2001. The first low-rate initial production (LRIP) helicopters were remanufactured SH-60Bs but following MH-60Rs are all new-build.
The first new production MH-60R helicopter was delivered in August 2005. Operational evaluation (OPEVAL) was completed in October 2005 and full-rate production approved in April 2006.
Production levels are planned to increase to up to 30 helicopters a month. The US Navy expects to operate 252 MH-60R helicopters by 2015.
In October 2007, the US Navy established the first of five MH-60R squadrons, Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron (HSM) 71 at Naval Air Station (NAS) North Island, San Diego.
In March 2008, the MH-60R conducted first 'at sea' operations from USS Preble (DDG-88) Aegis destroyer. First operational deployment of the helicopter is scheduled for January 2009 with the USS Stennis carrier group.
The helicopter operates from frigates, destroyers, cruisers, amphibious ships and aircraft carriers and is suitable for intense littoral warfare operations for handling numerous contacts in confined spaces, and for open-water operations.
MH-60 cockpit

The MH-60 helicopter is fitted with dual controls and accommodates the pilot and co-pilot / tactical mission officer. The sensor operator station is installed in the cabin.
The MH-60R helicopter shares the same MH-60 multi-function digital glass cockpit as the MH-60S helicopter. The MH-60 common cockpit has been designed and supplied by the Owego Helo Systems division of Lockheed Martin Systems Integration at Owego New York.
The fully integrated glass cockpit is equipped with four 8in × 10in (20.3cm × 25.4cm) full-colour multi-function mission and flight displays that are night-vision goggle compatible and sunlight readable. The pilots and aircrew have common programmable keysets, a mass memory unit, mission and flight management computers and MH-60R dedicated operational software.
The navigation suite includes a Northrop Grumman (Litton) LN-100G dual embedded global positioning system and inertial navigation system. Telephonics Corp. supplies the communication management system.
The helicopter is equipped with a fully digital communications suite, with Link 16, ARC-210 radios for voice, UHF / VHF and satellite communications and a Harris Hawklink Ku-band datalink.
Weapons
For anti-surface warfare missions, the helicopter can be equipped with a range of weapons on the four weapons stations, including Lockheed Martin AGM-114 Hellfire anti-surface missiles.
For anti-submarine warfare, the MH-60R can carry up to three ATK mk50 or mk46 active / passive lightweight torpedoes.
For self-defence, a pintle-mounted 7.62mm machine gun is fitted.
Countermeasures

The helicopter is fitted with a Lockheed Martin AN/ALQ-210 electronic support measures system (ESM). Electronic warfare systems include the ATK AN/AAR-47 missile warner, laser warning system, BAE Systems AN/ALQ-144 infrared jammer and BAE Systems AN/ALE-39 chaff and flare decoy dispenser.
Sensors
For anti-submarine warfare missions the helicopter is equipped with a sonobuoy launcher and a Raytheon AN/AQS-22 advanced airborne low-frequency (ALFS) dipping sonar.
"The US Navy expects to
have 252
MH-60R helicopters in operation by 2015."
The MH-60R is fitted with the Raytheon AN/AAS-44 detecting / tracking system, which includes forward-looking infrared (FLIR) and laser rangefinder.
The helicopter's radar is the Telephonics AN/APS-147 multi-mode radar which has inverse synthetic aperture (ISAR) imaging and periscope and small target detection capability. Lockheed Martin was awarded a contract in July 2008 to develop a new radar system, the automatic radar periscope detection and discrimination (ARPDD) system, to be delivered from 2013.
Survivability
The MH-60R is constructed with tolerance to small arms fire and medium calibre high-explosive projectiles. The flight controls have dual redundancy and ballistically hardened flight controls. The fuel tank is self-sealing. The helicopter is fitted with energy-absorbing landing gear and load-limiting crew seats.
The upper controls and hub are ballistically tolerant and the rotor blades are tolerant against 23mm rounds. The tail rotor has redundant failsafe controls. In the event of a 20/20/10G impact crash the helicopter's high mass components are retained within the frame.
The modular transmission system is fitted with fail safe lubrication. The hydraulics and electrical systems are triple redundant.
Turboshaft engines

The helicopter is powered by two General Electric T700-GE-401C turboshaft engines rated at 1,342kW. The internal self-sealing fuel tanks have a capacity of 2,230l.

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An MH-60R helicopter of Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron Four One (HSM-41) and the amphibious dock landing ship USS Comstock (LSD 45) during a flight off the coast of San Diego in April 2006.
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MH-60R helicopter taxis to its flightline at the Naval Air Station North Island, Coronado Island, San Diego.
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Training cockpit in a MH-60R Tactical Operation Flight Trainer (TOFT) simulator at HSM 41.
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The MH-60R in flight off the coast of San Diego in April 2005. USS Comstock (LSD 45) can be seen background right.
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Naval Air System Command (NAVAIR) MH-60R helicopters conducting Airborne Low-Frequency Sonar (ALFS) trials at the Atlantic Undersea Test and Evaluation Center (AUTEC) near Andros Island, Bahamas.
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MH-60R helicopter in Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron 71 (HSM 71) being serviced.
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MH-60R of the Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Light Four Nine
(HSL-49), picks up cargo from USS Ford (FFG 54) frigate during a vertical replenishment with the USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) carrier.

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MH-60R firing Hellfire missile.
 

bd popeye

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There are some great pix of the ADM"K" in operation and a P-3 Overflying the ship. naturally..no Russian aircraft are escorting the P-3..Man if that was a USN CV some members would be all over that!

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Click fast!! These kinda of pics disappear pretty fast at sina..

I tried to download them but sina would not let me.:(
 

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Ha! Ha!..someone has a method of hosting those pics..so here they are!

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bd popeye

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Russia to build a CVN

Honesty gents..I will believe it when I see it. This is at least 10 years away.

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MOSCOW, February 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's new-generation aircraft carrier will be nuclear powered and have a displacement of up to 60,000 metric tons, a United Shipbuilding Corporation executive said on Friday.

Vice Adm. Anatoly Shlemov, the company's head of defense contracts, said the new carrier was still at the drawing board stage, but its blueprint and basic specifications have already been defined.

He said the carrier will serve as a seaborne platform for new-generation fixed- and rotary-winged aircraft, in particular, a fifth-generation fighter that will replace the Su-33 multirole fighter aircraft currently in service, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV).

"It will be a fifth-generation aircraft with classic horizontal take-off and landing capability," the admiral said.

Shlemov said, unlike in the past, the new aircraft carrier would not be armed with cruise missiles, which were not part of its "job description."

He said that at least three such carriers were to be built, for the Northern and Pacific Fleets.

The executive offered no timeline on the project, saying it was not as yet clear which shipyard would get the contract.

The new carrier has an estimated price tag of $4 billion.

So far the Russian Navy only has one aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov Project 1143.5, built in 1985, with a displacement of 55,000 metric tons, a crew of 1,500, and capability to carry more than 50 aircraft.
 

bd popeye

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Last year the Russians announced they are going to build 6 CVs. Have they even cut the steel for this project yet? Now they are announcing they will build a CVN. It will be interesting to see what shakes out. Don't look for a new RU CVN to be at sea for at least 10 years. Just my opinion.
 
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Last year the Russians announced they are going to build 6 CVs. Have they even cut the steel for this project yet? Now they are announcing they will build a CVN. It will be interesting toi see what shakes out. Don't look for a new RU CVN to be at sea for at least 10 years. Just my opinion.
I agree with you.

A CVN will take them at least that long to build and put to sea given their history and current financial situation. Given that, it is actually likely that they will never get it done.

I am just interested in the similarity of design in what the Russians are proposing and what the Chinese are planning on. At this point it is much more likely that the Chinese will actually proceed and put hulls in the water.
 
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