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My understanding is that Hyuga's sister, Ise is already in the water.
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My understanding is that Hyuga's sister, Ise is already in the water.
She sure is. I posted these photos on the previous page..
YOKOHAMA, JAPAN - Japan Martime Self-Defense Force's destroyer Ise is launched at IHI Marine United Yokohama factory on August 21, 2009 in Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan. Ise is a 13950ton destroyer and becomes Japan's largest destroyer.
Hahaha Japan's largest destroyer hahaha :rofl: Oh my that's a good joke the JMSDF is playing on the world's news agencies, reporters really don't know very much about military stuff.
You got that right. The JMSDF even tells falsehoods about the displacement. The displacement is closer to 18,000 tons.
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I call it the Garibaldi-Maru. Wonder how long it will take for the USMC to deploy Harriers or F-35B's on it for, um, training or to fill out the air wing the way they do for the Brits.
Agreed. In reality they are only about a thousand tonnes lighter than an Invincible class CVS. On the subject of cross decking with the USMC, it is mentioned in future plans for the RN, as I posted on the UK Military News Thread a couple of days ago, page 27 post 403:
Latest news about the Naval Strike Wing from Janes Defence weekly, the main points are:
Regenerating Core Capabilities.
* Long term deployments lasting weeks or months with 10+ jets are to be come much more common.
* Too much skill fade with the current arrangement.
* Unlikely light blue will get enough sea time to get night qualified. So dark blue will do day/night, light blue day only.
* Joint deployment with USMC will continue, leading to a major ex next spring off the US East coast combining NSW and USMC airgroups. They can operate 16 or more Harriers.
* 801 will stand up late next year as part of the NSW, making 4 sqns in total.
And a rumour doing the rounds that 892NAS may return as well! (not holding my breath on that one, but still a positive move). The deployment to the 'Stan and the ongoing JUMP upgrade program have meant a reduction in available airframes for the existing three frontline sqns up until now, added to the fact that the FAA have been sending some of their pilots and ground crew through the USN training 'pipeline', to gain experience in operations from large deck carriers in preparation for the CVFs. All in all it seems a positive move for the FAA and bodes well for the future.
Much as I'd like to see it too, we'll probably have to wait for some of those USMC Harrier pilots to rise through the ranks to more influential positions before the USMC seriously pushes for ski jumps. They would be a cheap upgrade for the LHA/LHD fleet though, as they have no moving or electronic parts and are just made of steel! And they would only mean losing one helo spot, not three as some USN Admirals keep saying! As long as they fit it as per the Spanish Juan Carlos I and not the Italian Cavour, they should be OK
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Ambivalent
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No, you would loose three, two to port and one to starboard. An awful lot of amphibious assault planning revolves around helo sorties per hour and how many troops and tons of equipment the air wing can move per hours. Loosing even one helo spot per ship throws decades of planning out the window, er, porthole. That is a big deal when the minimum unload time for the ARG is six hours. I imagine the rotor heads in the USMC will have their say. :nono:
What is interesting to me is that there is a combined helo and jet test and evaluation squadron where I work. Marine and Navy pilots. The pilots who have faced real gunfire are all Marine helicopter pilots, and the jet jocks don't screw with them the way they would with a Navy helo pilot. It's the only place I can think of where the rotorheads are more respected than the jet jocks. Warms my heart!
Ambivalent, you must be in Miramar.. I was stationed there from July '85 to August 1991. Excluding the 6 months or so I spent on the Nimitz in '91. I worked in the Paraloft.
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Through PM I was discussing with Obi Wan about how the political situation in Japan may effect the JMSDF and CVN-73 status in Japan.
As some of you know the left wing Japanese Democratic party have finally taken over their Government. they've recalled their ships in the Indian Ocean and will probably limit the Ise & Hyuga air wing to 4 SH-60s each. What a waste of ship. These same democrats were the ones making so much noise when the then in power government allowed CVN-73 to be homeported in Japan. I would not be surprised to see this present Japanese government to order CVN-73 and some of her escorts out of Japan. Despite the fact that an USN CV has been homeported in Japan since October 6th 1973.
We shall wait and see what happens.
..Yes I realize that the US 7th Fleet is a deterrent to "aggressors" in the Pacific.
I was stationed there from July '85 to August 1991. Excluding the 6 months or so I spent on the Nimitz in '91. I worked in the Paraloft.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Through PM I was discussing with Obi Wan about how the political situation in Japan may effect the JMSDF and CVN-73 status in Japan.
As some of you know the left wing Japanese Democratic party have finally taken over their Government. they've recalled their ships in the Indian Ocean and will probably limit the Ise & Hyuga air wing to 4 SH-60s each. What a waste of ship. These same democrats were the ones making so much noise when the then in power government allowed CVN-73 to be homeported in Japan. I would not be surprised to see this present Japanese government to order CVN-73 and some of her escorts out of Japan. Despite the fact that an USN CV has been homeported in Japan since October 6th 1973.
We shall wait and see what happens.
..Yes I realize that the US 7th Fleet is a deterrent to "aggressors" in the Pacific.
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