TerraN_EmpirE
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wonder if they will try too pack a few F35b's the over all structure could be fitted for a small number of them.
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I know many followers of the JMSDF seem to think so. I think the elevators are large enough to lift an F-35B.
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Mr T
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Yeah, but then they need the ski jump and all the extra equipment for looking after them. And wouldn't they need to re-coat the deck to make it heat resistant or something? All that work for a few birds.
Would be easier and probably more cost efficient just to make a proper CV. I know some people like to think Japan would convert a Hyuga because it could be more easily "justified", but when you add that ski jump the game's over.
Actually I've heard the opposite - go figure!
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Yes, I think they would wait to see China take further steps launching/constructing its own carriers. But in that case I think they'd build new carriers that were 100% designed to operate that way (and larger than the 18,000 tonne Hyugas).
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Neutral Zone
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I suspect the plans for the ski-jump are sitting around somewhere just waiting for the phone call!
I don't think they will go down that route yet. I think Japan is waiting to see what China does in terms of deploying a carrier so then can then say that it's a justified response and is compliant with the notion of self defence forces as set out in their constitution.
I don't think they will go down that route yet. I think Japan is waiting to see what China does in terms of deploying a carrier so then can then say that it's a justified response and is compliant with the notion of self defence forces as set out in their constitution.
I think there are some other (less escalatory) steps that would improve the capability / utility of the Hyuga greatly short of putting a full scale fighter on the ship.
Obviously UAVs are an option. There should be a wide range of smaller UAVs that can operate off that ship.
But I'm also thinking of bigger options. Specificly the MQ-1. While it's wings are too large for the elevator, the latest iteration of that plane, the predator C wich started flight testing this spring, will have a folding wing and an arrestor hook. Maybe that can also be done to the Predator B. I'm wondering if the deck of the Hyuga is actually large enough to allow those UAV to lift off without a cat or a skyjump. I have no idea what the lift off speed o these planes are. But those systems can add a persistant ISR and limited strike capability to the ship.
An even more sopfisticated (and also more challanging) improvement would probably be a naval version of the Bell Agusta BA 609 (basically a smaller Osprey), wich would add maned fixed wing capability.
When the props and wing can be folded like on the V-22, it should fit the elevators. This gives long range ASW capability, improved C2 capability, maybe limited AEW capability, and could allow for longer range special forces infiltration / extraction.
That's probably a little far away, but interesting non the less, IMO.
And of course the F-35B option is always on the table.
Obviously UAVs are an option. There should be a wide range of smaller UAVs that can operate off that ship.
But I'm also thinking of bigger options. Specificly the MQ-1. While it's wings are too large for the elevator, the latest iteration of that plane, the predator C wich started flight testing this spring, will have a folding wing and an arrestor hook. Maybe that can also be done to the Predator B. I'm wondering if the deck of the Hyuga is actually large enough to allow those UAV to lift off without a cat or a skyjump. I have no idea what the lift off speed o these planes are. But those systems can add a persistant ISR and limited strike capability to the ship.
An even more sopfisticated (and also more challanging) improvement would probably be a naval version of the Bell Agusta BA 609 (basically a smaller Osprey), wich would add maned fixed wing capability.
When the props and wing can be folded like on the V-22, it should fit the elevators. This gives long range ASW capability, improved C2 capability, maybe limited AEW capability, and could allow for longer range special forces infiltration / extraction.
That's probably a little far away, but interesting non the less, IMO.
And of course the F-35B option is always on the table.
Aero_Wing_32
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It's good to see CdeG back to sea. But how long before she's in the shipyard again?. I wish the FN fair winds and following seas. Maybe this time she will be able to perform as designed.
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In another forum there is a discussion about the QE2 CVF. Obi Wan you need to respond in that thread. Here's a link.
A fellow named happyslapper posted this;
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In another forum there is a discussion about the QE2 CVF. Obi Wan you need to respond in that thread. Here's a link.
A fellow named happyslapper posted this;
This was my response;
Pointblank
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The Japanese are planning a new 'carrier' like ship; the ship will be again, similar in concept to the Hyuga, but will be significantly larger; standard displacement will be around 19500 tons, with a bow to stern length of around 248m. Compare that to other smaller aircraft carriers, such as the British Invincible class aircraft carriers, which are 209m, or the Italian Cavour, at 244m.
pointbank..how about a translation of those pages?
popeye
pointbank..how about a translation of those pages?
popeye
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SteelBird
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I don't read Japanese, however, they are similar to Chinese which I can understand a little. It mainly says that the Japanese Marine-time Self Defense Force will built its largest ever vessel with the budget of 1166亿园. If the "亿" in Japanese is equal to the "亿" in Chinese, then the figure would translate into 116,600,000,000 Japanese Yuan. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
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