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Great shots of the Welcome Wagon! brat
LOL! Exactly, brat. See my post just prior to yours.

I am sure that the Vikramaditya will be exercising with the US, UK, and other NATO nations (as they have done annually for the last several years) in the Indian Ocean and so understanding such communications, sensors, and other SIGINT will be a pretty standard thing between these nations.

Norway was probably just checking things out for NATO to make sure that what was announced was happening was actually what was happening. No big deal.
 

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LOL! Exactly, brat. See my post just prior to yours.

I am sure that the Vikramaditya will be exercising with the US, UK, and other NATO nations (as they have done annually for the last several years) in the Indian Ocean and so understanding such communications, sensors, and other SIGINT will be a pretty standard thing between these nations.

Norway was probably just checking things out for NATO to make sure that what was announced was happening was actually what was happening. No big deal.

Love that vapor venting off the wing-tips, the first time I saw vapor off any wing tips, was a C-130 when my Dad was stationed at Sewart AFB in Smyrna, TN. The P-3 is the C-130s twin sister, using basically the same wing, four Allisons, and four bladed props, the old A model with three bladed props and the funcky looking radome was practically aerobatic, in fact the Four Horsemen used to put on quite a display, they were based at POPE AFB and later at Sewart AFB for a short while, but after leads check-out in a B-model, he sadly proclaimed the Horse Men were fineto as the hydraulics in the B made it a truck compared to the A model.
 

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INS Vikramaditya joins Indian Navy: Shiv Aroor on why India is relieved that the battleship is finally here


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["Bahut pareshan kiya," fumes a sailor on the crew of INS Vikramaditya, the massive new addition to the Indian Navy's fleet. The Russians troubled us a lot, he says, succinctly describing the Indian Navy's experience over the last 10 years in this freezing town on the White Sea coast. The 45,000 ton aircraft carrier was ceremonially transferred to the Indian Navy on November 16, nearly five years later than promised and over $1.5 billion over contracted cost. While November 16 marks an undoubtedly important day for Indo-Russian relations, the over 1,600 Indians officers and sailors departing these shores later this month won't be sorry to do so. At every level, big and small, from the level of the entire navy, down to the youngest sailor, there's relief that it's finally over.


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ins-vikramaditya-india-relieved-indian-navy-russia-shiv-aroor/1/325188.htm"Eta secret". Russian for "Sorry, that's secret". That, according to Indian personnel who've spent years in Severodvinsk learning how to sail their enormous new ship, has been the most common response from Russian personnel to any query or request for help. Over 188 days, during two rounds of sea trials between 2012 and 2013, Indian personnel are said to have been deeply irritated with the manner in which the Russian trial team on board ran the show, speaking largely in their own language, and ticking off mandatory test points on the ship, while bewildered Indian Navy personnel repeatedly requested them to slow down and take everyone on board, so to speak. The Indian side has had far less experience on the ship than it would have liked: of the 19,500 miles covered by the ship during trials, barely 1,700 miles were under the command of Commodore Suraj Berry, who is now officially commanding officer of the vessel.

Hundreds of Indian officers and sailors have been rotated through Severodvinsk over the last decade in embedded observation teams or specialised training units. The length of their commitment has meant that most brought along their families on two year stints to the town, a tough call, given that it is truly a tiny town whose economy is entirely centred around the shipyard that converted the Admiral Gorshkov into the Vikramaditya. Unlike Moscow and St. Petersburgh, Severodvinsk doesn't have any English schools to speak of, forcing many families to leave their children behind in India with relatives, or make the younger ones attend good Russian medium schools in this town. No Indian military project has seen such a large-scale excursion of personnel to another country for such an extended period.


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for a small town, Severodvinsk has an unusually vibrant night life, with several popular clubs and restaurants. Two of them -- 'Rome' and 'Wasabi' -- have been popular with young Indian officers when they've got time off attending to ship duties. The local 'black' brew has apparently been the most intriguing on the Indian drinking palate.

"Brave as the Sun," reads a poster placed near the vessel at her commissioning ceremony. When the Vikramaditya transits through the Mediterranean Sea into relatively warmer climes next month, her crew will welcome the sun, for whom the ship gets its name, like they've perhaps never done before. Many among Vikramaditya's crew belong to the Garhwal hills and Himachal Pradesh, but they've never experienced the unrelenting, almost hostile cold of Severodvinsk, helped heartily by freezing cold winds from the north that bring snow and sleet in abundance. In the words of crewman Umrao Ghatori, "Such weather is simply not worth it. It is sometimes difficult to work. And when you're creating a warship, there's no 'downtime' as such."


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Defence Minister AK Antony quipped on Saturday on the Vikramaditya's flight deck, "Everything is wonderful except the weather."

Over the last one year that the Vikramaditya has had its full complement of sailors and officers, the ship's galley has had to work with whatever produce is in season, since shipping in such large quantities of vegetables or fruit was unviable. The ship's cooks therefore learned to cook with several local vegetables as well. Given how the relative drudgery of open ocean makes meal time perhaps the most anticipated time of day on any warship, Vikramaditya's crew are near unanimously looking forward to food favourites. Lt Cdr Manoj Parashar, a mechanical engineer on the ship says his favourite vegetable, ladies' finger, is shipped in during a brief period from Sweden, and is hugely expensive. "I can't wait to be in a place where bhindi isn't such a big deal," he says.


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all, Project 11430 has been a mutual embarrassment to India and Russia, that both sides will be relieved to see completed with the ship's delivery. Between 2007-2010, the programme very nearly destroyed relations when the Russians reported that the scope of work on the erstwhile Admiral Gorshkov had been severely underestimated. The project made both countries look deeply inept and inefficient, but the only one with anything to lose was India. The deal was one of the last big ticket items pushed through by the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government, after which it coursed from one disaster to the next, until Russia dropped a bomb in 2007 about how they got it so badly wrong. In many ways, those involved with bringing the deal in, will be relieved that the Vikramaditya is leaving Russian shores for what is hopefully the last time. They include the former Prime Minister, his defence minister George Fernandes, and former navy chiefs Admiral Sushil Kumar and Admiral Madhvendra Singh.

Incumbent Navy chief Admiral DK Joshi was polite when he said the ship was the result of "exceptional perseverance."

Antony even found reason to say, "Now that the ship is ours, I can confide in you. The whole programme very nearly failed."


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ins-vikramaditya-india-relieved-indian-navy-russia-shiv-aroor/1/"The Indians changed a lot of specifications, and asked for many things that had not been contracted initially," says Igor Leonov, chief commissioning officer for the Vikramaditya project, and a man who will be one among 183 persons travelling with the ship to India next month to 'guarantee' her for the first year.

With only her hull harking back to the erstwhile Soviet warship she once was, and virtually everything else either brand new or fully refurbished, including thousands of kilometres of cabling, the Russians repeatedly suggest that Vikramaditya is effectively a new warship, not a repaired one. This, the Indian Navy agrees with. With an operational life of approximately 40 years, the Vikramaditya is unlikely to need any major work for at least a decade if not more. As she sails home, escorted by four Indian warships, including the Indian Navy's sole aircraft carrier INS Viraat from the Persian Gulf, the Indian crew knows that their new home was perhaps worth waiting for, and that they've effectively got a new warship for a second-hand price. The 183 Russians on board the ship for the journey home never fail to remind them of this.


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that Russian contingent escaping their country's winter to sail to India will be nine interpreters who will be based in Karwar for a period of at least three months to ensure, in the words of one of them Sasha, that there are no "communication gaps".

Both sides know they've had too many of those.


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On Sunday, November 17, 2013, the first-of-class aircraft carrier for the U.S. Navy, Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78), was launched into the the James River for the first time to be moved to Newport News Shipbuilding’s Pier 3, where it will undergo additional outfitting and testing for the next 28 months.

Gerald R. Ford has been under construction in Dry Dock 12 since November 2009 and was moved about one mile south to the shipyard’s Pier 3 with the assistance of six tugboats. The ship will be moored at Pier 3 to complete outfitting and testing. Habitability spaces, such as berthing and mess areas, will be completed, and distributive, mechanical and combat systems, such as catapults and radar arrays, will be tested. The ship is scheduled for delivery to the U.S. Navy in 2016.

“The ship’s launch is always significant for her shipbuilders,” said NNS Rolf Bartschi, NNS’ vice president of CVN 78 carrier construction, “but I think it’s an extra special experience this time because of Ford’s unique qualities as the first ship of the class, and thanks to the close relationship shipbuilders have developed with CVN 78′s sponsor, Susan Ford Bales. This milestone provides an opportunity for the shipbuilding team to reflect on all of the hard work that has been accomplished to ready the ship for launch, and I could not be more proud of our shipbuilding team.”

Right now, as chance would have it, the USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) is dockedright next to the USS Enterprise (CVN 65), which is being dismantled, and which USS Gerald R. Ford will replace in the U.S. Navy fleet.

Now isn't that a picture that would be great to see!

...a few minutes later. hehehe. well I did find this. I am sure more will come out later. it's just too historic. The 1st nucler carrier docked next to the latest nuclear carrier. will only come along once.


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USS Gerald R. Ford, CVN-78, docked next to the USS Enterprise, CVN-65, being dismantled
 
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Is it confirmed what escorts they carrier will have on its way back?

I don't know for sure, but she looks good, when is she departing asif???? and now for my dumb question of the week, guys, is the Ford UGLY, or am I just a zoomie, no offense intended, I can't find a single line on her that does a thing for me??? respectfully brat
 

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Is it confirmed what escorts they carrier will have on its way back?
I posted the following on the Indian Military News thread last week:

So, far we the Indians have announced that a Talwar frigate will escort her out of port, soon to be met by an AOR vessel. The Indians have announced that it will be the Deepak, A50, which was launched in 2010. Somewhere between Norway and the English channel, three more Indian vessels will join with them, but the Indians have not announced who they will be yet.

Perhaps one will be the Akula nuclear attack submarine, INS Chakra. I would expect two more of their modern indigenous Shivalik frigates, which are as big as most traditional destroyers.

Perhaps INS Trikand, F51 will be that first Talwar Frigate. She is their latest Talwar class and was also built in Russia. She was recently in Portsmouth, England.

We also know now, that once through the Suez canal, that India's other Carrier, INS Viraat, R22, will meet with the group and conduct exercises with the Virkamaditya in the Arabian Sea and then also escort her home.

Anyhow here is the group we are getting a picture of. The Akula and two Shivalik are my own guesses...we will know for sure later:


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INS Virkamaditya Aircraft Carrier, 44,500 tons

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INS Trikand, F51, Guided-missile Frigate, 4,050 tons

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INS Deepak, A50, AOR Vessel, 27,000 tons

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INS Satpura, F48, Guided-missile Frigate, 6,800 tons

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INS Sahyadri, F49, Guided-missile Frigate, 6,800 tons

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INS Chakra, Nuclear attack submarine,

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INS Viraat, R22, Indian STOVL Carrier

I expect the Viraat will have a couple of her own escorts too. If the Indians end up with this group of six vessels in the Vikram group, and then another three or four in the Viraat group, when they combine, it will be an impressive dual Carrier Task Force in the Arabian Sea and send a powerful message..
 

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I don't know for sure, but she looks good, when is she departing asif???? and now for my dumb question of the week, guys, is the Ford UGLY, or am I just a zoomie, no offense intended, I can't find a single line on her that does a thing for me??? respectfully brat
Her aft side is a little broad...they expanded the hanger deck and added some more maintenance shops. So where there used to be pretty clean lines down from the edge of the flight deck back there (except for some sponsons), now you have these large square boxes at both port and starboard aft quarters...but they serve a great purpose.

But, from the side or the front she looks pretty nice, IMHO.


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Anyhow, a 100,000 ton fighting ship like this is not going to have the lines of an F-22 brat. LOL!
 
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