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bd popeye

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Vikramaditya's bridge looks dated.

What looks dated to you?

I can tell you something I do not like. the same thing I don't like on any naval ship... the false overhead. If there's a fire in that overhead fire fighters will have to take time pulling that overhead down.

This is what's under that fake overhead...

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BUSAN, Republic of Korea (Oct. 4, 2013) Quartermaster 2nd Class Dustin Donner records course changes on the bridge of the guided-missile destroyer USS Preble (DDG 88) as the ship enters port in Busan. Preble is on patrol with the George Washington Carrier Strike Group conducting exercises with the Republic of Korea (ROK) navy to strengthen maritime interoperability and U.S.-ROK alliance. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Paul Kelly/Released)

Pipes, venting, electrical conduits etc etc. They collect a lot of dust and can catch fire. Been there done that! I noticed USN CVNs have a similar overhead on it's bridge as the IN & PLAN CV..not good IMO...

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REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE (Oct. 29, 2013) Chief Mass Communication Specialist Ryan Delcore, center, discusses the functions of the helm in the navigation bridge to visitors during a tour of the U.S. Navy's forward-deployed aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73). George Washington and its embarked air wing, Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5, provide a combat-ready force that protects and defends the collective maritime interest of the U.S. and its allies and partners in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Chris Cavagnaro/Released)
 

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Vikramaditya's bridge looks dated.


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I do not find it that bad. The internal structure may be a little dated, but the bridge itself and its layout looks fine to me...it has to be utilitarian, and what matters is whether they can efficiently run and fight the ship.

Now the CICs of most of these vessels will have a different look and aire about them...nestled away in the bowels of the Island or the ship itself and using much more digital imagery and communications than what you find on the bridge.

I do think the false ceiling (and the PLAN, the French, and US all have them as well...and bet the UKs QE will too) is a danger because to the need to access them in case of fire aboard...it would all be ripped out anyway. Popeye discussed this here on this thread and I agree with him.

Other than that, (and its color) it does not look bad to me. The equipment has to be of industrial quality and very utilitarian and built to heave shock and use standards. Here's the bridge on the USS Ronald Reagan nuclear carrier:


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Now, sitting behind those stations up by the glass, are other command stations where the ship is actually driven (which we do not see in the Indian or the Reagan picture) as shown below on the Charles de Gaulle for France:


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By comparison here isthe Liaoning:


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In the end the measure is if they can efficiently run and fight the ship without a lot of down time and maintenance. I believe they will be able to do that.
 
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Here are some more pictures from yesterday's (November 16, 2013) INS Vikramaditya, R33, aircraft carrier induction ceremony (these pictures available online
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Indian Defense minister and Naval Chief of Staff at hand-over/induction ceremony

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Indian Naval honor guard at the Vikramaditya induction

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The raising of the Indian Naval ensign on the INS Vikramaditya, R33

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Mig-29K strike aircraft on display in the hanger

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The Vikramaditya Bridge/Island on the day of induction

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Vikramaditya Dockside
 

Blackstone

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What looks dated to you?

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I expected more digital bells and whistles (there's a 1970s look to the bridge). I'm not saying she's a bad ship (India has an excellent navy), just that she reminds me of a modern woman wearing cloths from past centuries.
 

Rutim

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Remeber 'good ol' days' when Yamato class was consider as a 'floating hotel' in Japanese Navy because most of the crew (can't remember if all) has been accomodated in berths instead of hammocks and the only air conditioning were tents on most of the warships decks!

And no - bridge isn't a bedroom. It's the most busy place aboard all ships and there aren't too much people who had thoughts if it looks nice or not on duty.
 

stack

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What looks dated to you?

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I expected more digital bells and whistles (there's a 1970s look to the bridge). I'm not saying she's a bad ship (India has an excellent navy), just that she reminds me of a modern woman wearing cloths from past centuries.

I think the Indian Navy will soon add their own digital stuff to the bridge when it brings it to full integration with the fleet and other service arms. Anyway I would rather trust heavy, chunky and metallic instruments to run the ship than slim line LCD touch screens.
 

aksha

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INS Vikramaditya, India's largest aircraft carrier, is safely in the Indian Navy's hands now, and will begin its journey home shortly. But just a year ago, there was an incident that created a major stir on board the massive ship as it was put through trials at sea off the Russian coast.

INS Vikramaditya was spied upon by NATO forces.

Headlines Today Deputy Editor Shiv Aroor, the first Indian journalist on board the aircraft carrier, has accessed exclusive images of that disturbing incident that was even taken up at the diplomatic level.

The images show a NATO maritime spy aircraft repeatedly buzzing.

Over INS Vikramaditya in an attempt to snoop on her communications and combat signatures. Never before revealed, these images captured from the deck of the ship show how the US-built P-3C Orion "buzzed" the ship just a few hundred feet over her deck and circled her in an attempt to harvest classified electronic and acoustic data about the vessel.

The snooping operation created such a stir that the Russian team on board the Vikramaditya summoned a Russian Navy MiG-29K from a shore base to chase away the intruding aircraft.

The spy aircraft beat a hasty retreat once the MiG-29K arrived on the scene.


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the spying mission, the P-3C aircraft dropped two sensor buoys into Vikramaditya's immediate path in such a way that the ship sailed right through the gap between the two red bobbing devices, allowing the aircraft to record acoustic signatures.

Later, the Russian government sent photographs of the intrusion, including pictures of the sensor buoys, to the US Embassy in Moscow and NATO headquarters, but has received no reply yet.

Both the Indian Navy and the shipyard that modernised the Vikramaditya confirmed the incident but were tightlipped about the details of how much data about the battleship may have been compromised.

The NATO aircraft chose the early summer of 2102 when the sea was calm and the relative silence of neutral waters interfered least with sounds emanating from a ship - ideal conditions for airborne electronic snooping.

In another attempt to listen in on Vikramaditya's communications and electronic emanations, a Norwegian ship attempted to snoop on the ship shortly after the airborne spying mission.

The vessel, known to have specialised electronic equipment on board that allows the recording of acoustics from a distance, came fairly close to the Vikramaditya.

By that time, command and crew on board the aircraft carrier had made her go near totally silent.

A NATO ship from Norway snooping on the Vikramaditya.The spygame between NATO and Russia remains intact years after the end of the Cold War, with both sides routinely intercepting and escorting "stray" aircraft, or attempting to snoop on aircraft and ship movements near maritime boundaries.However, the fact that the snooping incident was on an Indian ship was a surprise.
 

Jeff Head

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ashka said:
INS Vikramaditya was spied upon by NATO aircraft and ship
This is being reported today widely as if though it is something unheard of or a big deal.

It is not.

The Norwegian Navy keeps close tabs on the movements and operations of the Russian northern fleet for NATO (and themselves) all the time. They have a number of assetrs to do this, including very quiet SSK submarines, P-3C Maritime patrol aircraft, and a purpose built ELINT vessel, the Marjata. BTW, the Marjata was present during the Russian Kirsk loss a few years ago. It was there because of the large nature of the exercise and their involvement with the Kirsk and the new experimental torpedoes she was going to be testing. The Norwegian Marjata was the vessel that got the readings on the innitial explosion and then the second, much larger explosion as the vessel began to sink.

The aircraft involved was a P-3C Norwegian maritime patrol aircraft. Here are two of the pictures of this aircraft as it operated near the Vikramaditya while she was in trials last year:


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And here are two photos of other Norwegian P-3C aircraft photoed in maritime operations elsewhere:


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I have absolutely no doubt that this P-3C was operating in coordination with the Norwegian ELINT vessel Marjata. The aircraft was recording whatever it could, and dropped those two bouys to get more...and came in close to try and get more sensors turned on by the Vikramaditya or the monitoring Ruissian vessel, so the Marjata could pick those up and record them too.

Here's the pictures of the Marjata during this incident near the Vikramaditya.


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Now here are two pictures of the Marjata in Norwegian service elsewher. Notice in the second picture the wide beam of this vessel.


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These are not unusuall or unheard of practices between maritime nations. It is pretty much business as usual, and the same type of thing that the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force did with its own P-3 aircraft and the Takanami DDG last month to the Chinese task force that was exercising in the Pacific.
 
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