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thunderchief

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A friend in the Indian Navy informed me that 4 or more Mig-29K pilots from India have already been qualified in landings and take offs on the Virkamaditya while she has been up north.

I am trying to find any official documentation to verify this.

If true , that would be very good news for Indians . So far , only rumors about qualifications on Admiral Kusnetzov have been circulating .
 

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The Hindu said:
At the quay adjoining Sevmash Shipyard’s enormous hull shop no. 55 is the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, getting decked up for its big day. The Cold War–era Russian carrier, which received a new lease of life after a five-year-long controversy-ridden period of “modernisation”, will on Saturday be inducted into the Indian Navy. The ceremony will be attended by Defence Minister A.K. Antony, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin and a host of other top officials including the naval chiefs of both countries.

After completion of minor interior works, Vikramaditya will set course for its historic 60-day voyage to Karnataka’s Karwar by the end of November with a 1,600-member Indian crew commanded by Captain Suraj Berry and a Russian surety team comprising 183 technicians, who will stay back in India for a year to ensure that the 44,500-tonne behemoth has a smooth sail.

A Talwar-class frigate and fleet tanker, INS Deepak, will escort Vikramaditya, which will be eventually joined by three other Indian vessels on way to its homeport at Karwar.

Andrey Dyachkov, Director-General of Russia’s Northern Shipbuilding Centre, which controls Sevmash, said negotiations were underway between both sides to ensure long-term fruitful service support to the carrier.

“The ship has been modernised and repaired. This allows us to say that it will be able to serve the Indian Navy for 40 years. Its life can be further enhanced if properly maintained. So we can safely say that it’s a whole new ship,” he told a group of Indian journalists.

Elaborating on the sea trials of the Vikramaditya, Sergey Novoselov, Head of the Military Technical Cooperation Division of Sevmash, said the carrier did exceedingly well during its trials in the White Sea that began on July 3.

“We’ve met all specifications and it attained a top speed of 29.5 knots without any glitch… The flight trials were witnessed by Vice-Admiral Shekhar Sinha, Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief of India’s Western Naval Command. Out of the 8,600 miles the carrier sailed during trials, 1,700 miles were done under the command of Captain Berry, its Commanding Officer. There were more than 3,200 people aboard including 1,000-odd personnel from the Navy. However, the camaraderie was so good that we didn’t need help from the over 80 translators aboard as trials came to a close. Rear Admiral R. Hari Kumar [who previously commanded INS Viraat] headed the carrier acceptance team,” said Mr. Novoselov.

Officials of Sevmash said the trials also demonstrated the strength of the fortified hull of Vikramaditya. To a query on the carrier’s boilers, which malfunctioned during trials last year, leading to another spell of delay in delivery, Mr. Dyachkov said the yard had replaced asbestos with “another material” on the firebrick-wall at the suggestion of the Indian Navy. “After it failed, it was realised that asbestos was the best and that it would not jeopardise the health of seamen. So we installed asbestos and our decision was proved correct during trials,” he said.

On the issue of cost-escalation, Mr. Dyachkov said initially it wasn’t possible to fathom the scope of work on the vessel. The Indian Navy understood that deeper repairs and refurbishment became inevitable, he said. Mr. Novoselov said 2,500 km of cable network and 3,000 km of pipes were fully replaced. “Besides, all radio and electronic warfare equipment, fans, pipes and the like are new.”

Igor Leonav, chief commissioner of Sevmash, who is heading the guarantee team to India, said the carrier controlled 778 flights during trials. There were 88 landings, too, all piloted by Russians. The carrier’s jamming capability was demonstrated when the Sukhoi-33s, Kamovs, MiG-29s and the early warning aircraft A-50 all failed to paint it on their radars, he said. The carrier’s radar, on the contrary, could pick oncoming aircraft from a distance of 350-400 km, said Mr. Leonav.

(Vikramaditya is being delivered without any air defence capability, as it is devoid of any surface-to-air missile or close-in weapon systems, which would be retrofitted later).

So, so far we know that a Talwar frigate will escort her, and an AOR vessel. The sarticle says it is the Deepak, A50, which was launched in 2010. As they leave Russian waters, three more Indian vessels will join with the, I will list those here as we learn what they are. Perhaps one will be the Akula nuclear attack submarine, INS Chakra. I would expect two more of their modern indegenous frigates, Shivalik FFGs which are as big as most traditional destroyers.

Perhaps INS Trikand, F51 will be that first Talwar Frigate. She is their latest Talwar class and was also built in Russia. She was recently in Portsmouth, England.

Anyhow here is the group we are getting a picture of. The the last three are my own expectation:



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INS Virkamaditya Aircraft Carrier, 44,500 tons

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INS Trikand, F51, Guided-missile Frigate, 4,050 tons

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INS Deepak, A50, AOR Vessel, 27,000 tons

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INS Satpura, F48, Guided-missile Frigate, 6,800 tons

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INS Sahyadri, F49, Guided-missile Frigate, 6,800 tons

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INS Chakra, Nuclear attack submarine,

If the INdians send this group up to get the Vikramaditya and then escort her home, it will be an impressive Carrier Task Force grouping.
 

Air Force Brat

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There may be. if there is, it is likely that they will not publish it until after the launch...like they did here.

...and speaking of aircraft carriers in the general sence, here's a video that brings all new meaning to the term (don't try this):


[video=youtube;pUdzVnZBaoY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUdzVnZBaoY[/video]

Now that there is a Naval Aviator, interesting landing, and a clear alternative for those who are unable to affored the F-35. brat
 

thunderchief

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Now that there is a Naval Aviator, interesting landing, and a clear alternative for those who are unable to affored the F-35. brat

According to the info in video , total ship's length is 93 m , and length of deck in front of the bridge (usable for landing ) is 60m . For comparison , length of HMS Audacity , one of the smallest escort carriers in WW2 , was 142 m .
 

Air Force Brat

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According to the info in video , total ship's length is 93 m , and length of deck in front of the bridge (usable for landing ) is 60m . For comparison , length of HMS Audacity , one of the smallest escort carriers in WW2 , was 142 m .

Interesting stunt. Not to bright, but interesting. Don't try this at home kids, although my old Cox PT-19 would make it off the picnic table about one of four attempts..... on one flight the running engine departed the aircraft and climbed to altitude, fall ing to the sidewalk out front of 125 Maine Dr. just missing a MOM and Baby carriage. Wow, God does take care of ignorant teenagers and Moms and Babies....LRAFB. brat
 

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Franklin

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I highlighted the interesting bit of this article that i thought was interesting information. The rest is just nationalistic chess thumping.

It is several years late but the $2.5 billion INS Vikramaditya is finally ready to play a major role in the execution of India’s national security strategy.

When the Russian built aircraft carrier steams out to sea from its base in Karwar on India’s southwest coast, it won’t be alone – the nearly 1000-ft long, 20-storey tall ship will be at the centre of a heavily armed carrier battle group (CBG) comprising escort destroyers, frigates, missile boats, attack submarines and supply ships. Overhead, reconnaissance aircraft such as the Boeing P8 Poseidon will be looking out for undersea and surface threats.

And from higher still, the navy’s GSAT-7 military satellite – with a nearly 4000 km footprint over the Indian Ocean region – will provide India’s admirals with a God’s-eye-view of the maritime environment.

The Vikramaditya’s own air surveillance radar is capable of spotting threats over a radius of 300 km, plus its Kamov Ka-31 early warning radar helicopter can pick up enemy aircraft within a radius of 150 km and surface ships at a distance of 250 km.

But most importantly, the carrier’s 16 MiG-29K aircraft will be able to hit targets 850 km away; with in-flight refuelling that range increases to 3500 km. That means the Vikramaditya can operate at much greater distances from enemy shores while still accomplishing missions.


This standoff capability was demonstrated by India’s first aircraft carrier INS Vikrant during the 1971 war with Pakistan. During that 14-day conflict, the carrier bottled up the Pakistan Navy in Chittagong (now in Bangladesh), allowing the Vikrant’s aircraft to destroy several Pakistani warships huddled in the harbour.

You get the picture: if nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles bestow military might, the Vikramaditya signals military reach. The message is: no matter how far you are, we will come and get you.

“The entry of the Vikramaditya marks a paradigm shift, as it heralds a new era in carrier operations in the Indian Navy,” Rear Admiral S. Madhusudanan, Admiral Superintendent of the Naval Ship Repair Yard in Cochin, told The Hindu.

Plugging the gaps

With India’s sole carrier, INS Viraat, spending more time in dry dock than at sea, and the 40,000 tonne Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) delayed until 2018, India’s naval aviation is seriously hobbled.

The Russian-built carrier will plug that yawning maritime gap. According to Rear Admiral Madhusudanan, “The way it has been rebuilt and equipped with advanced systems and machinery will ensure that the carrier will serve another 30 to 40 years.”

Secondly, because of the long delay in the Vikramditya’s delivery, India’s crack navy pilots are based at the Dabolim Air Base in Goa. This is, of course, a sad state of affairs. Carrier landing and takeoff skills acquired over the years can become degraded if pilots don’t train on a flattop.

The Vikramaditya is, therefore, the solution to a whole lot of issues that are buffeting the Indian Navy.

Ancient maritime power

The Indian Ocean is the only ocean named after a country. This is partly owing to the fact that India has been a seafaring nation since Vedic times. During the medieval era the Chola Empire and other southern Indian kingdoms colonised much of South East Asia up to Taiwan.

In the early 1700s, the legendary Maratha admiral, Kanhoji Angre, routed the British, Dutch and Portuguese navies on the high seas. For 33 years until his death in 1729, the Maratha navy remained undefeated. The British were so pissed they called him a pirate.

Indian ships of that time were so advanced in design and durability that the British inducted them into their fleet. According to Usha Kiran Rai, an expert on shipping, Horatio Nelson’s flagship HMS Victory, which took part in the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805, was an Indian built vessel.

With the Vikramaditya, the wheel is now turning and India is set to reclaim the sea power that it yielded three centuries ago.

Carriers: Vulnerability vs value

In 1982, asked during a Senate hearing how long US aircraft carriers would survive in a major war with Russia, Admiral Hyman Rickover famously replied, “About two days.” Despite that candid admission, the US Navy’s love affair with the floating airfield has grown – it currently maintains 10 large aircraft carriers.

The Russian Navy, which largely shunned the carrier concept during the Cold War – it developed the fearsome Backfire bomber to destroy American carrier groups – has now done an about face. It has asked for six heavy carriers in the next 20-30 years.

Again, China which declared in 1971 it “will never build an aircraft carrier” because “aircraft carriers are tools of imperialism, and they are like sitting ducks waiting to be shot”, is now basing its naval strategy around these giant floating airfields.

To be sure, a multi-billion dollar aircraft carrier is an irresistible target. But there’s the rub: to attack a carrier you have to find it first. Carriers may be big fat targets – that perhaps explains the communist disdain for these most capital of ships – but they are constantly moving. You need assets in the air, sea and preferably space to locate, target and hit them.

When the 1971 war broke out, the big question at Naval HQ in New Delhi was: “Where is the Vikrant?” It took a few anxious moments before someone located it in safe harbour in Visakhapatnam on the south-eastern coast.

The naval brass had reason to be worried. Intercepts of Pakistani naval communications had revealed the Pakistan Navy had despatched its latest American-built hunter killer submarine Ghazi to sink the Vikrant.

So Indian intelligence resorted to classic misinformation. It sent a series of messages – normal procedure when a carrier is moving – that the Vikrant was sailing to a location off Visakhapatnam. This drew in the Ghazi which was then depth charged and sunk by the INS Rajput, a Russian built destroyer.

Today, a CBG’s high-density defences are so effective that when a submarine manages to slip past defences, it makes news. According to the US Naval War College, “Aircraft carriers operating in international waters, are less politically and militarily vulnerable than forward deployed land and air forces.

While aircraft carriers are more vulnerable than smaller ships to detection, their size makes them the hardest ships to sink and destroy, and they are less vulnerable in every other respect.”

Chinese bogey

With American naval assets moving into the Pacific, China’s naval strategy has now become US-centric. So expect a massive spurt in Chinese naval activity.

Beijing’s aircraft carrier development has entered the boost phase. Their ex-Soviet carrier, the 67,000 tonne Liaoning, is currently the training platform for its rookie navy pilots.

The dragon’s growing maritime muscle is likely to set off alarm bells in New Delhi, but it is pertinent to mention that in naval aviation China is playing catch-up with India. “While the Vikramaditya is a new class of flattop and the MiG-29K a new aircraft for the Indian Navy, carrier operations are nothing new for the navy,” James Holmes, an associate professor of strategy at the US Naval War College, writes in The Diplomat. “The service has operated at least one flattop for over half a century....In short, Indian mariners are steeped in a naval-aviation culture that the Chinese are only starting to instill.”

India infatuated

Unlike the pussyfooting on ICBMs and nuclear bombs, India’s stance on aircraft carriers has been surprisingly unequivocal – it has owned at least one since 1961.

Clearly, the admirals realised early on that despite the country’s location in a dangerous neighbourhood, the risks faced by a carrier were small. There was also consensus that carriers would contribute to the national interest in a huge way.

Any doubts that India intended to build blue-water fleets are now gone with the Vikramaditya’s arrival.

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