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Air Force Brat

Air Force Brat

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bd popeye said:
Today was a Federal holiday, Columbus Day. So more than likely tomorrow there shall be some fresh photos.
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Thanks BD and Kwai, he was surprised to see the Ford on our forum, he is 10, and he has quite an interest in Military hardware, my SIL Dan is presently in Germany, and has passed the testing to fly helicopters as a Warrant Officer???? he recently completed his Bachelors, he has another year in Germany, hope this all works out for him, as he works his butt off! brat

any pictures yet?
 
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thunderchief

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Hey Jeff, let me ask you a hypothetical question if I may. During a fight with a submarine when a torpedo exploded (not directly) near one of these giant propellers would it still be working?
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If a large torpedo (Type 65 or something similar) explodes below aircraft carrier ,like they are designed to do , propellers would be last thing you would care about .

Torpedoes are much more dangerous then ASMs with similar explosive charge . That is because underwater explosions tend to put all of its energy upwards (water is virtually incompressible ) and part of the ship is raised from the water , thus making some kind of the "lever". Structure of the ship (especially large ship) is not strong enough to support its own weight without buoyant force , so you get effect like in the video below ("broken back" of the ship ) or at least large structural damage .

Note that Mk48 used in this film has less then 300 kg explosive charge , while Soviet /Russian 650mm torpedoes have more then 450 kg .

[video=youtube;y863lraJ3F4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y863lraJ3F4[/video]

On the other side , similar sized ships tend to survive few Harpoon hits (Harpoon has around 220 kg of explosive)

[video=youtube;JQHRFXzBJJE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQHRFXzBJJE[/video]
 
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RSS Defense said:
SAINT-NAZAIRE (France), October 15 (RIA Novosti) – A French shipyard floated out Tuesday the first of two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships being built for the Russian Navy.

The ship, named Vladivostok, being built at the DCNS shipyard in Saint-Nazaire, is expected to start sea trials in March next year.

“The ship will be handed over unarmed, but equipped with French-made landing equipment,” DCNS program manager Yves Destefanis said at the launch ceremony. It will be fitted with Russian-made weapons systems later, he added.

The vessel will receive its additional Russian systems at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg, and then be handed over to Russia’s Pacific Fleet in November 2014.

Russia and France signed the 1.2 billion euro ($1.6 billion) contract for two French-built Mistral-class helicopter carriers in June 2011.

A second Mistral-class warship, the Sevastopol, is due to be floated out in October 2014.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, both warships will be based in the Far East ports of Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky when they enter service.

A decision on whether to acquire a build a third and fourth Mistral for the Russian Navy will be taken based on the experience of testing the first one, a Russian defense procurement official said Tuesday.

“The final decision on construction of the third and fourth [Mistrals] has not been taken,” said Andrei Vernigora, director of the defense ministry’s procurement department. ‘We must see how all the systems have adapted. It’s possible the project might require further revision.”

The decision to buy a major foreign-made warship – an unprecedented move for Russia since World War II - was a controversial one. Earlier this year, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees defense procurement, criticized the Mistral purchase, made under the auspices of his predecessor Anatoly Serdyukov, for requiring special lubricants and other liquids not produced in Russia in order to work properly in cold weather.

The Pacific Fleet is currently forming crews for the two helicopter carriers, a Pacific Fleet spokesman told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.

Mistral-class vessels are capable of carrying 16 helicopters, four landing craft, 70 armored vehicles, and 450 soldiers.

The Russian Mistral air wings are expected to comprise eight Kamov Ka-52K attack helicopters and eight Ka-29/31 Helix assault transport helicopters.
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navyreco

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I was there:

DCNS launch Vladivostok, Russian Navy's first Mistral class LHD

[video=youtube;AWygPCpX6zU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWygPCpX6zU[/video]

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Vladivostok, the first of two BPC-type vessels (LHD - Landing Helicopter Dock) on order from DCNS for the Russian Federation was floated out of its building dock at STX France's Saint-Nazaire shipyard on 15 October. The event was attended by senior officials representing the French and Russian navies and shipbuilding industries. The programme has proceeded as planned since the contract came into force in late 2011, with the vessels on schedule for delivery in late 2014 and late 2015 respectively.
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asif iqbal

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
I wonder if the Russians will embark any naval speznats.
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maybe by buying the opitional 2 Mistrals to build a fleet of 4 units but as far as a carrier goes i think it may be beyond the scope of Russian shipyards as of now, a re-fitted Kuzt is the next best thing
 
TerraN_EmpirE

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I don't know why you quoted me I was asking about Russian navy commandos.
on the subject though I do believe that a second carrier will come it will have a equal complement of fighters to the Kud and be roughly the same size but with the same kind of propulsion as the Vladivostok.
 
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