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bd popeye

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Hi, popeye, is the use of the word stateroom for the space for berthing of six enlisted men also one of those Americanisms that amazes us Europeans?

what you said..

On an USN vessel a stateroom is for officers. Enlisted men live in berthing compartments that on a a carrier can hold up to 200 sailors. Yep that's right.

I'd better clarify.. On USN CVNs enlisted berthing spaces are as small as 12 men and as large as 200 men. With varying sizes in between.

My son told me , because he worked with the JSDF, that they are required to have "staterooms" i.e berthing areas. that berth no more than 6 sailors.
 
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asif iqbal

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The ASW this ship will bring is massive, this is a game changer ship, USN 7th fleet will be happy to see this, a very powerful added ASW screen for thier carrier
 

bd popeye

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Chinese OP-ED article on the JS Izumo DDH-183.

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Japan's new warship draws fire.

By ZHAO SHENGNAN in Beijing and CAI HONG in Tokyo (China Daily), August 07, 2013

Japan's biggest warship was unveiled on Tuesday, raising grave concerns about the country's military buildup as observers said the vessel is actually an aircraft carrier, banned by Japan's pacifist constitution.

Tokyo's move coincided with Manila's latest efforts to upgrade its military, as the Philippine navy received a second former US coast guard ship. Manila received the first ship in 2011.

Analysts see the upgraded warships in Japan and the Philippines as efforts to gain an upper hand in maritime disputes with China, as well as a catalyst igniting an arms race that would escalate regional tensions.

China's Ministry of National Defense expressed concern on Tuesday about Japan's "continuous military buildup" and urged it to adhere to peaceful self-defense.

"Japan should reflect on its history, adhere to self-defense and the promise of following the path of peaceful development," the ministry's bureau for media affairs told China Daily. The ministry also called for Japan's neighbors and the international community to be "highly alert".

The Japanese military held a ceremony in the port city of Yokohama on Tuesday to show off its new 248-meter helicopter carrier 22DDH, which is expected to be a centerpiece of its naval power under the Self-Defense Forces, which are banned from aggressive action.

The Japanese-built carrier has a displacement of around 20,000 tons. It can accommodate 14 helicopters and will play a major role in disaster and rescue missions, as well as defend sea passages and Japanese territory, according to Japan's defense ministry.

But it is much larger than many countries' aircraft carriers in terms of displacement and deck length, and it can be easily and swiftly refitted to support F35-B fighters, which have strong combat capabilities, said Zhang Junshe, a senior researcher at the People's Liberation Army Naval Military Studies Research Institute.

"It is an aircraft carrier, and Japan just called it ‘a helicopter destroyer' to downplay its aggressive nature," Zhang said. Japan, defeated in World War II, is creating regional tensions by breaking the postwar order, he added.

The vessel was named Izumo, the same name as the flagship of the Japanese fleet that invaded China in the 1930s.

Although the vessel is not 100 percent an aircraft carrier at the moment, it can be a platform for Japanese forces to train under circumstances similar to that of an aircraft carrier, said Jin Canrong, an international affairs professor at Renmin University of China.

Besides, Tokyo likely intentionally chose the date of the vessel's debut — the 68th anniversary of the US dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima — to woo public support for the government's military ambitions by taking advantage of sentiments about the attack, Jin said.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has been considering developing a regular army, which would require changing the Constitution imposed on Japan by the United States and its allies after World War II. But a possible overhaul of the Constitution has stirred strong reactions among Japan's neighbors, which have long maintained that Tokyo has never come to terms with its militaristic past.

"Washington, which currently is facing defense budget cuts, needs Tokyo's assistance to guarantee the US focus on Asia. ... This also encourages Abe to beef up Japan's military," Jin added.

China has always maintained that cooperation among countries should be conducive to regional peace and stability, according to the Ministry of National Defense's response to US-Philippine military cooperation.

Manila said last week that Washington had stepped up its military assistance package in the next fiscal year to about $50 million from $30 million, the highest level since US troops returned to the Philippines in 2000.
(Editor:YaoChun、Zhang Qian)
 

Jeff Head

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Chinese OP-ED article on the JS Izumo DDH-183.

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It's a carrier alright. Anyone looking at it knows this.

But, the Chinese have a bigger, more capable one and are building more. They are apparently building large deck amphibious assault carriers too, more similar to this one.

My guess is that the Japanese will say something along the lines of, "we will stop if you will." Except in more diplomatic terms and speech.

As a Naval enthusiast...and as long as they continue to deter one another and not have to resort to war...I am excited to see the new vessels coming out.

The Type 075 LHA, the Type 052D DDGs, the new carrier the Chinese will build, the Type 071 LPDs, the Type 056 OPVs, the Type 054A FFGs, the new Chinese subs, etc., etc (CHina is building far more vessels, far faster than any of her neighbors).

Then add the 22DDH, the potential follow-on 26DDH, the Akizuki DDGs, the USS Gerald R. Ford, the USS Zumwalt, the USS America, the Virginia Class subs, the Queen Elizabeth carriers, the new Virkamaditya Carrier and the INS Vikrnat that will be launched on the 12th of August, the Canberras, the Kohlkatas, the Shivaliks, and on and on it goes, all over the world. I call it:

NESOS and we are getting an extreme case of NESOS around the world right now! LOL

BTW, NESOS stands for "Naval Enthusiast Sensory Overload Syndrome."
 
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andyhugfan

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It's a carrier alright. Anyone looking at it knows this.

But, the Chinese have a bigger, more capable one and are building more. They are apparently building large deck amphibious assault carriers too, more similar to this one.

My guess is that the Japanese will say something along the lines of, "we will stop if you will." Except in more diplomatic terms and speech.

As a Naval enthusiast...and as long as they continue to deter one another and not have to resort to war...I am excited to see the new vessels coming out.

The Type 075 LHA, the Type 052D DDGs, the new carrier the Chinese will build, the Type 071 LPDs, the Type 056 OPVs, the Type 054A FFGs, the new Chinese subs, etc., etc (CHina is building far more vessels, far faster than any of her neighbors).

Then add the 22DDH, the potential follow-on 26DDH, the Akizuki DDGs, the USS Gerald R. Ford, the USS Zumwalt, the USS America, the Virginia Class subs, the Queen Elizabeth carriers, the new Virkamaditya Carrier and the INS Vikrnat that will be launched on the 12th of August, the Canberras, the Kohlkatas, the Shivaliks, and on and on it goes, all over the world. I call it:

NISOS and we are getting an extreme case of NISOS around the world right now! LOL


BTW, NISOS stands for "Naval Enthusiast Sensory Overload Syndrome."


Yeah, very interesting times ahead!!

btw it's NESOS, Enthusiast is with an 'E' ;)
 

Jeff Head

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To get a better feel for just how big the 22DDH, Izumo, DDH-183, really is, I thought I would compare it directly to the Wasp Class LHD of the US Navy. So, here is a port side view of the USS Bataan, LHD-5, the fifth US Navy Wasp Class, and from the same perspective on the port side, the view of the newly launched JMSDF Izumo, DDH-183.

The Wasp is 30 feet longer, it is about 10 feet taller, but it's beam is actually 3-4 feet less, although it's flight deck is a good 15-20 feet wider.


Wasp-Izumo-Compare.jpg


As you can see, the new Japanese vessel is a very large ship. Even at 30,000 tons full load, which is 3,000 tons larger than they admit to, I believe if fully outfitted with aircraft and fuel, it will be closer to 35,000 tons.
 

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Right on the heals of the Japanese launch of the Izumo on August 6, 2013, comes the Indian launch of the INS Vikrant on August 12, 2013.

More NESOS for sure!

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Times of India said:
August 8, 2013
Kochi, India

The launch of the Air Defence Ship, the largest military ship and first aircraft carrier to be built in India, in Kochi on Monday is a historic step. It not only sends out the right signals about India's ability to build such a complex naval platform, but also shows the country's growing capabilities in ship building. And most importantly, India's growing ambition to build a truly 'blue water' navy that can reach across the oceans to protect its interests-- be it minerals and commodities in Africa and Latin America or oil and gases from Middle East.

The indigenous aircraft carrier, first of the two being built under the Vikrant class, is expected to join the navy by 2018, by when INS Vikramaditya, the Russian aircraft carrier set to join service in a few months, would have become the focus of a powerful carrier battle group. The Vikrant class indigenous carrier would become the centrepiece of a second carrier battle group.

The 40,000 tonne ship takes India to a select club of countries that can build an aircraft carrier. The carrier is being built from indigenously produced high grade warship steel, made by the Steel Authority of India.

Besides the Russian MIG-29K fighters, the carrier could also end up having naval version of the indigenously made light combat aircraft (LCA) on board. The carrier would also have long range surface-to-air missiles (LRSAM) being developed by Israel, and other weapon systems.

She is looking better and better now. The Ski Jump is installed and it looks like the hull is pretty much done.
 
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