Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

Jeff Head · Jun 28, 2013

asif iqbal said:
nice looking ship, big ship!

they retained that ski jump and although the goverment has stated they have no provision for F35B i bet they do have plans for them

2 LHDs both have ski jumps! they need to arrange a cross-decking soon with F35B

Well, the UK is stating and proceeding straight up with the F-35B. In fact,

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Italy is doing the same but has not received any aircraft yet.

But several other nations are going to have carriers that can accommodate F-35Bs and I think all of them will ultimately get them for those carriers. They will probably wait until the program is more mature and the costs come down from their perspective.

Spain, Japan, and Australia are the principle nations...though Korea and India are also potential future customers too.

asif iqbal · Jun 28, 2013

Omg guys just drove past Rosyth shipyard and I seen the aft island in place, seen it with my own eyes media outlet hasnt reported it so it must have been today, heard it here first expect pics soon!

Jeff Head · Jun 29, 2013

asif iqbal said:
Omg guys just drove past Rosyth shipyard and I seen the aft island in place, seen it with my own eyes media outlet hasnt reported it so it must have been today, heard it here first expect pics soon!

Oh yes!

Feast your eyes! This is the first video of it I have seen.

[video=youtube;lrbQAWjnwlg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrbQAWjnwlg[/video]

And here's three pics from

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Lots of GREAT carrier progress being made all around.

asif iqbal · Jun 29, 2013

Nice! Looks like the real thing now the way it will look when it is sailing the high seas

Best part is that as soon as this one is launched and they start its outfitting the second one will start construction, the sad thing is that after that the carrier programme will end

In my opinion if they started a 3rd and 4th and even a 5th it would reduce overall cost and give the shipyards work for the coming decades, in addition the technological break throughs that have taken place would also get interest from export customers

The carriers are providing 10,000 highly skilled jobs with over 100 companys and work for 6 shipyards

If we built 5 units that would mean Rosyth would see

1st unit from 2011-2014
2nd unit from 2015-2018
3rd unit from 2019-2022
4th unit from 2023-2026
And the last unit from 2024-2027

That would mean a apporx 15 year life cycle for Rosyth shipyard alone, let alone the others

I would say two STOBAR and three CATOBAR, names

STOBAR
HMS Queen Elizabeth
HMS Prince of Wales

CATOBAR
HMS Ark Royal
HMS Illustrious
HMS Invincible

36 F35B each for the STOBARS and 48 each F35C for the CATOBARS, Total F35 order would be 108 F35B and 96 F35C total 204 F35A/B

Total programme cost would be £15 billion over 2 decades isn't even that much, If you consider that in 1961 a UK carrier strike group in the middleast avoided a war the payback would be many times it's worth in construction, especially if you consider a lifetime of 5 decades even longer

Jeff Head · Jul 3, 2013

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The Hindu said:
INS Vikramaditya, India’s second aircraft carrier, has set sail on comprehensive sea trials.

The extensively modernised Soviet-era carrier Admiral Gorshkov is scheduled to be delivered to the Navy this year-end after much delay. It set off from the Sevmash shipyard in the northern port city of Severodvinsk on the White Sea, official sources said here.

“A team of Indian Navy officials, technical experts and pilots is on board the aircraft carrier which is now undergoing aviation facilities trials,” officials said. All tests are being carried out by the Russian crew and staff. The Indian team is monitoring the tests and trials, they said. The aircraft carrier, which can easily hold about 30 fighters and helicopters, is now sailing in the Barents Sea.

During the trials, INS Vikramaditya will undergo “a full range of sea-going tests” and aviation facilities like take-offs and landings of fighters such as MIG 29K flown by Russian pilots. “Touch and go exercises by fighters are on and various other flight profiles are also being undertaken,” officials said.

I believe this time the Virkamaditya will complete her builder's trials and will be on her way to India this fall. We should see her in port in India before the end of the year and it will be a significant milestone for the Indian Navy.

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Franklin · Jul 3, 2013

Yep, the Vikramaditya has left port for sea trials today.

Indian Carrier Sails From Russia for Final Sea Trials

A Russian-built aircraft carrier refitted for the Indian navy has set sail for final sea trials prior to handover, a senior Russian defense industry official said Wednesday - five years after it was originally due to be delivered, and more than twice over budget.

The Vikramaditya (formerly Admiral Gorshkov), which has been refitted at the Sevmash shipyard in northern Russia, is due to he handed over in fall 2013. A mixed Russian-Indian crew is on board the warship, while the Indian sailors learn how to operate the vessel.

“The warship departed for sea trials early on Wednesday in line with the schedule,” said Igor Sevastyanov, deputy head of Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport.

“Everything is alright. The ship will be delivered [to India] this fall, we cannot afford any more delays,” Sevastyanov said on the sidelines of the International Maritime Defense Show (IDMS-2013) in St. Petersburg.

The refit of the ship has lurched from one crisis to another since India and Russia signed a $947 million dollar deal in 2005 for its purchase and refit. Delivery has already been delayed three times, pushing up the cost of refurbishing the vessel to $2.3 billion, amid acrimony between Moscow and New Delhi over the contract.

The Vikramaditya was supposed to have been handed over on December 4, 2012, after earlier delays, but sea trials last September revealed the ship's boilers were not fully functional.

The source of the problem, which reduced the ship's maximum speed, was due to use of low-grade Chinese-made firebricks in the boiler insulation instead of asbestos, according to Russian shipbuilders.

The Vikramaditya was originally built as the Soviet Project 1143.4 class aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. The ship was laid down in 1978 at the Nikolayev South shipyard in Ukraine, launched in 1982, and commissioned with the Soviet Navy in 1987.

Renamed after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Admiral Gorshkov sat in dock for a year for repairs after a boiler room explosion in 1994. In 1995, it briefly returned to service but was was finally withdrawn and put up for sale in 1996.

The ship has a displacement of 45,000 tons, a maximum speed of 32 knots and an endurance of 13,500 nautical miles (25,000 km) at a cruising speed of 18 knots.

India has already started taking delivery of MiG-29K naval fighter aircraft for the Vikramaditya, which were ready before the refit was completed. The MiG-29Ks will operate in STOBAR (short take-off but assisted recovery via arresting wires) mode.

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Jeff Head · Jul 3, 2013

Franklin said:
Yep, the Vikramaditya has left port for sea trials today.

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Yes, being reported widely now. I really like that report from "The Hindu," and the picture that went along with it.

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The Hindu said:
INS Vikramaditya, India’s second aircraft carrier, has set sail on comprehensive sea trials.

The extensively modernised Soviet-era carrier Admiral Gorshkov is scheduled to be delivered to the Navy this year-end after much delay. It set off from the Sevmash shipyard in the northern port city of Severodvinsk on the White Sea, official sources said here.

“A team of Indian Navy officials, technical experts and pilots is on board the aircraft carrier which is now undergoing aviation facilities trials,” officials said. All tests are being carried out by the Russian crew and staff. The Indian team is monitoring the tests and trials, they said. The aircraft carrier, which can easily hold about 30 fighters and helicopters, is now sailing in the Barents Sea.

During the trials, INS Vikramaditya will undergo “a full range of sea-going tests” and aviation facilities like take-offs and landings of fighters such as MIG 29K flown by Russian pilots. “Touch and go exercises by fighters are on and various other flight profiles are also being undertaken,” officials said.

Franklin · Jul 3, 2013

First video of the Vikramaditya leaving port.

[video=youtube;8OGavzH_LaQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OGavzH_LaQ[/video]

Jeff Head · Jul 3, 2013

Carrier Proliferation: 2012-1014

Aircraft Carrier Proliferation throughout the World: 2012-2014

Over the last year that has been a LOT of activity for large, flat-deck aircraft carrier naval vessels throughout the world. Within the last year, or in the next, seven new aircraft carriers in six different countries have either been launched, are about to be launched, or will be launched. Six of these (designated by a "X" next to theri name below) have follow-on vessel already under construction right behind them.

This represents significant growth in aircraft carrier development around the world, which is not expected to slow down at any time in the next 10-20 years.

Here are the seven vessels mentioned:

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] [X] United States of America

Displacement: 45,000 tons
Length: 844 ft.
Width: 106 ft.
Draft: 30 ft.
Speed: 24+ knots
Crew: 2,800
Airwing: 38 STOVL, rotary

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[X] United States of America

Displacement: 102,000 tons
Length: 1,100 ft.
Width: 250 ft.
Draft: 40 ft.
Speed: 32+ knots
Crew: 4,600
Airwing: 85 fixed, rotary

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[X] Great Britian

Displacement: 65,000 tons
Length: 920 ft.
Beam: 230 ft.
Draft: 36 ft.
Speed: 28+ knots
Crew: 1,600
Airwing: 40 STOVL, rotary

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People's Republic of China

Displacement: 65,000 tons
Length: 992 ft.
Beam: 237 ft.
Draft: 35 ft.
Speed: 30+ knots
Crew: 2,500
Airwing: 40 fixed, rotary

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[X] India

Displacement: 45,000 tons
Length: 900 ft.
Beam: 174 ft.
Draft: 30 ft.
Speed: 32 knots
Crew: 2,000
Airwing: 30 fixed, rotary

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[X] Australia

Displacement: 27,000 tons
Length: 755 ft.
Beam: 107 ft.
Draft: 28 ft.
Speed: 24 knots
Crew: 1,400
Airwing: 24 rotary, STOVL

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[X] Japan

Displacement: 27,000 tons
Length: 815 ft.
Beam: 125 ft.
Draft: 28 ft.
Speed: 30 knots
Crew:970
Airwing: 24 rotary, STOVL

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If you are aware of other, full flat-deck carriers that have been launched, are launching, or will be launched in the 2012-2014 time frame outside of these, please post a description (with specs) and their picture here.

This thread is for pointing the new carriers out and discussing their various merits, capabilities, and potential weaknesses.

asif iqbal · Jul 3, 2013

Re: Carrier Proliferation: 2012-1014

Good thread Jeff, best part is all of the above have follow on vessals, are we really in a recession??!

2 x Queen Elizabeth
2 x Canberra Class
2 x DDH for JMSDF

We all know China and India story and also America Class and Ford Class are "classes" so to speak so a series production

Btw just for little typo it's HMS not HMA!

Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

Jeff Head

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General

Jeff Head

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General

Jeff Head

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Franklin

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Jeff Head

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Franklin

Captain

Jeff Head

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General