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Well, the OHPs are still very good at ASW, and have all of the equipment and sensors for it, and can still carry two Sea Hwks.
I know for a fact that they still go out for training with CSGs to keep themselves up to speed and qual'ed on that.
It is true that they are not a regular part of CSGs as in assigned permanently as one of the escorts, but they do get assigned so they can keep their marks up. If we ever got into an honest to goodness shooting wr, the CSGs would be glad to have them out on the ASW threat axis scouring the water.
I'll get you a list of some of the recent deployments where they have done this.
Other than that, they do also work woith ARGs in the same fashion on occassion, and they do a ot of show the flag kind of stuff as well as the drug interdiction on an international level for sure.
Anyhow, I'll look up some of those deployments and get back to the thread with them.
TerraN_EmpirE
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Okay I have too correct My self again...
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franco-russe
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I do not think that is correct: What you say is no doubt true about those - many - FFG's belonging to Destroyer Squadron 14 at Mayport, but FFG's have also regularly been part of destroyer squadrons allocated to Carrier Strike Groups - as poor stand-ins for destroyers, no doubt. Of course, this will soon be history as more BURKE's enter service and PERRY's are decommissioned.
Actually, it is the LCS that is the driving force behind the decommissioning of the Perry's.
Three will be decommissioned this year for the three new LCS that are now built and coming into the fleet. They will then decommission one or two a year for the next 7-8 years until they are all gone.
When they go out with Carrier groups now, it is not to stand in for the DDGs. They go out in addition to the DDGs in order to stay qualified on their ASW capabilities and duties, which they are still very good at.
If there was a major conflict, you would find the remaining Perrys being used as additional combatants for the CSGs, adding more ASW capability to them.
The current thinking is, that with the ASW package, a LCS will be as capable in that role as a Perry. My own feeling is however that they will not have the endurance of a Perry, and the Perry's could be upgraded modestly and at low cost to also have a stronger AAW defense for themselves than a LCS. They already have a Phalanx 20mm CIWS on them, if they added a SeaRAM system where the old Mk-13 single-arm launcher used to be, they would have better AAW self defense than an LCS, have as strong an ASW capability, and they would be able to hold station longer.
But, my guess is, with the momentum and weight behind the LCS, the Perry's will indeed be decomm'ed within the next 7-8 years and replaced by the LCS as an additional ASW capable vessel for the CSG if ever needed. The LCS also come woith the added benefit, particularly with the Independence class that can carry two misison modules at once, that the LCS also adds a mine hunting capability to the CSG that a Perry can;t and could come in handy depending on the location and route of the carrier.
asif iqbal
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How many carriers has USN operated at any one time in the past? A question I am guilty of asking in the past but I can't find it
Modern, post World War II, or during World War II, because towards the end of World War II, with the Fleet Carriers, the Escort Carriers, and the Jeep Carriers, there were literally dozens and dozens of them being operated at the same time.
That was then drawn down to where it is today wioth basically Eleven full carriers and 11 of the large Amphibious Warfare vessels that can act as Sea COntrol carriers if necessary.
In 2001 my step son ship the USS Nicholas FFG-47 deployed with the Big E..that was one of the last FFG deployments with a CSG.
Gents.. These days FFGs do not deploy with carriers. They only train with them as cannon fodder and as an opposing force. As Jeff pointed out if the real shooting starts they would deploy with a CSG.
I challenge anyone to find a single FFG deploying with a CSG in the last 7-10 years. These deployments listed below go back to 2003.
A deployment is going overseas for months at a time. Going out to sea for a few days or a couple of weeks and returning to your home port is not a deployment.
Try this link to see what today's USN FFGs do. Drug interdiction , anti piracy and goodwill tours is what you shall see..
Have a blessed day.
Gents.. These days FFGs do not deploy with carriers. They only train with them as cannon fodder and as an opposing force. As Jeff pointed out if the real shooting starts they would deploy with a CSG.
I challenge anyone to find a single FFG deploying with a CSG in the last 7-10 years. These deployments listed below go back to 2003.
A deployment is going overseas for months at a time. Going out to sea for a few days or a couple of weeks and returning to your home port is not a deployment.
Try this link to see what today's USN FFGs do. Drug interdiction , anti piracy and goodwill tours is what you shall see..
Have a blessed day.
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Well, Popeye, my friend, if you qualify it to the entire deployment, then yes, it rarely happens. But, do they go out with the carriers for several weeks at a time to train and qualify for their ASW capabilities? Yes...and very regularly.
I indicated that I knew personally that the Perry Class Frigates still train regularly on deployment with the carriers. They may not be with them for the entire deployment, but they join with them for significant amounts of time in the Atlantic, Pacific, Med, and Indian Oceans to conduct these exercises.
They have to be prepared to do the CSG ASW role if a large conflict ever breaks out. So they regularly train with the carriers and the entire carrier battle group, and for extended periods, to do so.
I also indicated earlier that I would document this...so here it is. Here are nine (there are a lot more) examples, all within the last 5 years of Perry's conducting significant exercises with US Navy nuclear aircraft carriers to be trained and ready should they be needed for full deployments in the event of major conflict:
US Oliver Hazard Perry FFGs on regular training and qualification exercises with US Navy nuclear Carriers said:
The Ticonderoga-class cruiser USS Mobile Bay (CG 53) leads the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate USS Curtis (FFG 38) and the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS Russell (DDG 59) in formation on Nov. 12, 2007. The three ships, deployed with the USS Abraham Lincoln, CVN-72, and the rest of Carrier Strike Group 9, to participate in a composite training and qualification exercise.
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The aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) transits the Indian Ocean on September 5, 2008 with the Ticonderoga-class cruiser USS Mobile Bay (CG 53) and the Oliver Hazard Perry-class guided-missile frigate.
USNS Guadalupe (T-AO 200) conducts a replenishment at sea with the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate Curts and the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) on November 14, 2009, deployed together during composite training and qualification exercies.
Perry-class frigate USS Rentz (FFG 46), Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Pinkney (DDG 91) and USS Sampson (DDG 102), Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Chosin (CG 65), and aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68) operate in formation Feb. 15, 2010, while deployed in the South China Sea. The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group is conducting operations in support of maritime strategy in the U.S. 7th Fleet area of responsibility. (This was not a training exercise, this was an honest to goodness CSG, "in your face," exercise and I am sure they had the Perry along for its additional ASW capabilities.)
The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Sampson (DDG 102), the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate USS Ford (FFG 54) and the U.S. Coast Guard high endurance cutter USCG Rush (WHEC 723) transit the Pacific Ocean as part the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) 2010 combined task force accompanying the USS Ronald Reagan, CVN-76.
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The Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate USS Gary (FFG-51) and the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser USS Bunker Hill (CG 52) deployed with the USS Carl Vinson, CVN-79 on December 8, 2010, trailing the aircraft carrier as ships from Carrier Strike Group 1 conduct refueling at sea during a composite group training exercise.
The Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) transits the Pacific Ocean alongside the Military Sealift Command fleet replenishment oiler USNS Yukon (T-AO 202) and the Oliver Hazard Perry-class guided-missile frigate USS Ingraham (FFG 61) on May 19, 2011, during a vertical replenishment while participating in a composite training and qualification exercises.
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The Royal Canadian Navy destroyer HMCS Algonquin (DDGH 283) leads Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Stockdale (DDG 106) and Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate USS McClusky (FFG 41) behind Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson on Sept 28, 2011, conducting a joint strait transit exercise.
The Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts (FFG 58) and the Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Normandy (CG 60) underway on January 21, 2012, with the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (CVN 65). The Enterprise Carrier Strike Group is underway conducting a composite training unit exercise.
So...do they go on entire deployments with the CSGs? Very rarely, though the one Perry did accompany the Nimitz for an extended period throughout the South China Sea and elsewhere in the Western Pacific on the one exercise meant to send a message to the PRC that was not a "training exercise," in 2010.
But even on those training and qualification exercises, they may be with the carrier for weeks at a time in order to stay up on their CSG, ASW duties.
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asif iqbal
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Ah good point my bad I meant post WWII and Carriers of all types either escort or fleet
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