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Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos II
Yes but again, why would you need it? In the same length as a USN C-13 catapult (300ft) any naval jet aircraft in service today can reach the 80 knots required to exit the ramp. A short cat will cost you almost as much as a long cat and if you can afford the latter you may as well fit it and do the job properly. Unless you are planning to launch gliders by ski jump there is absolutely no need for a short cat or rocket assitance. Aircraft have engines, and for the last three decades these have been more than adequate to get Navy jets (and the occassional CrabAir machines) off the end of the ramp safely.
Conventional takeoff: 1 start takeoff roll. 2 reach flying speed, 3 fly.
Ski jump takeoff: 1 start takeoff roll. 2 fly. 3. reach flying speed.
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Yes but again, why would you need it? In the same length as a USN C-13 catapult (300ft) any naval jet aircraft in service today can reach the 80 knots required to exit the ramp. A short cat will cost you almost as much as a long cat and if you can afford the latter you may as well fit it and do the job properly. Unless you are planning to launch gliders by ski jump there is absolutely no need for a short cat or rocket assitance. Aircraft have engines, and for the last three decades these have been more than adequate to get Navy jets (and the occassional CrabAir machines) off the end of the ramp safely.
Conventional takeoff: 1 start takeoff roll. 2 reach flying speed, 3 fly.
Ski jump takeoff: 1 start takeoff roll. 2 fly. 3. reach flying speed.
Got it?
navyreco
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Probably on smaller ships... The Kuz' is probably a prestigious "appointment" (if that term makes sense) that one has to earn during his service in the Russian Navy?
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Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos II
If your flattop has a length of 340 meters and you have only steam cats it is entirely reasonable to give your steam cats a length 103 meter. If your flattop is substantially shorter and you have EM cats it makes sense to combine the two methods of reducing the area needed for aircraft launch.
Your remark about the German rifle is entirely beside the bridge.
If you can't design the nose wheel gear to withstand the use of the ski ramp ( and why wouldn't you built the whole cat into the ramp and increase rotation speed during acceleration ? ) you can build your aircraft with tail wheels. The tail wheel gears would need to be as complex, or a bit more, than an ordinary nose gear and not resemble that of the Supermarine Attacker, but such an undercarriage was patented in the UK forty years ago. And you need to leave the ski ramp at a lower speed than you leave a flat deck just because your velocity has a vertical component.
If your flattop has a length of 340 meters and you have only steam cats it is entirely reasonable to give your steam cats a length 103 meter. If your flattop is substantially shorter and you have EM cats it makes sense to combine the two methods of reducing the area needed for aircraft launch.
Your remark about the German rifle is entirely beside the bridge.
Mysterre
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Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos II
Or, it could be as simple an explanation as that the tempo of Russian carrier ops is slow enough that they can just launch one at a time using the position that gives them the highest payload capability.
Intrepid
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Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos II
The short cat in front of the ramp is an idea to make the use of spot 1 and spot 2 in all circumstances possible and not only under labor conditions for nice photos.
Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos II
That the safest departure is always the longest, and will always be the preferred departure by a smart pilot!
That the safest departure is always the longest, and will always be the preferred departure by a smart pilot!
Every time I have seen the Kuznetsov, particularly with the pilots, that is what I have seen too.
Very mature, older pilots who in the US would be individual squadron commanders, or of age to be the CAG,
It's as if though the Russians have a few people to fly those SU-33s and they have been doing so for 20 years. Now, with them being phased out soon, we probably will not see any younger blood for those aircraft...though I have to say, when the Mig-29Ks were tested on the Kuznetsov and on the Indian Vikramaditya, I seemed to be the same.
The Japanese made that mistake in World War II, keeping there very most experienced fighters always on the tip end...and it cost them dearly because when they lost them, they guys coming in behind had very little experience. The US would take its very best and send them back to train the others.
On another point, I just read this morning where the anticpated Carrier Air Wing in the 2020s would consist of the following:
2 Squadrons of Super Hornets, 12 each or 24 aircraft
2 Squadrons of F-35C Strike aircraft or 24 aircraft
1 Squadron of EA-18G Growlers with 5 aircraft
1 Squadron of E-2D Hawkeyes with 5 aircraft
2 Squadrons of S-60 Seahawks of 8 aircraft or 16 aircraft
1 Squadrob of 6 UCAV aircraft
That's a total of 80 aircraft.
Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos II
And more importantly safety, while the forward stations may be used they limit fuel and payload, I'm not convinced that 80kt is a limit for the ramp, notice the Chinese used the aft position for their departure at what is presumably a fairly light weight, but as Obi Wan has stated ramps are cheating, lose an engine, and you're a swimmer, period!
And more importantly safety, while the forward stations may be used they limit fuel and payload, I'm not convinced that 80kt is a limit for the ramp, notice the Chinese used the aft position for their departure at what is presumably a fairly light weight, but as Obi Wan has stated ramps are cheating, lose an engine, and you're a swimmer, period!
Jeff, could you post a link to where you read this? I kinda doubt that the any UCAS will be ready by 2020.. they are not funded beyond the two that are in R & D now.
Jeff, I guess the USN & USMC will simply retire the F-18C squadrons...It's about time.
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To another subject.. The IKE CSG and Iwo Jima ARG are coming home.. However the IKE will re-deploy in the Late Feb or March time frame...
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