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aksha

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Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos

At the same time, the Indians have already taken delivery of many production Mig-29Ks (not prototypes) and they have already inducted those aircraft into their military service and are flying them, and testing them for ultimate carrier operations.[video=youtube;C7zXMCVeydg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=C7zXMCVeydg#t=35s[/video]
 

navyreco

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Corsican lion threa: http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-military-pictures/corsican-lion-amphibious-exercise-6177.html
 

delft

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I know their original intent was for the A model, and supposedly they weren't interested in the B, but I do suppose they could revamp their plans for the B. It does strike me as odd that they haven't already done so, seeing these two ships with their ramps?
As you know I have no regard for F-35B. But might one use that ramp to launch overloaded V-22's? Is the undercarriage of the Osprey strong enough? How must weight can be gained that way?
 

asif iqbal

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Why does Canberra have ski jump? Which helicopter uses ski jump this must be for JSF

But that LHD is truly a amazing ships looks so ultra modern and will add massive sea capability to Aussies, very nice layout and great design

I so wish Royal Navy had 2 x LHD like these class to replace HMS Ocean

Also Royal Navy needs replacements for LPD HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark

Sad part is there is no replacements even planned!!
 

hkbc

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Why does Canberra have ski jump? Which helicopter uses ski jump this must be for JSF

But that LHD is truly a amazing ships looks so ultra modern and will add massive sea capability to Aussies, very nice layout and great design

I so wish Royal Navy had 2 x LHD like these class to replace HMS Ocean

Also Royal Navy needs replacements for LPD HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark

Sad part is there is no replacements even planned!!

The ski jump is integral to the hull of the Juan Carlos I from which the Canberra is derived and they chose not to incur the cost of redesign. Albion and Bulwark are only about 10 years old so not sure what you're talking about needing replacements they're good for another 15+ years.
 

Jeff Head

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As you know I have no regard for F-35B. But might one use that ramp to launch overloaded V-22's? Is the undercarriage of the Osprey strong enough? How must weight can be gained that way?
It's not an issue of the undercarriage. It is an issue with the extrordinarily long propellers on the Osprey that provide the lift for take off.

The V-22 is designed for Vetical takeoff. It's prop nacells were not designed to be rotated while the aircraft is rolling during take off. The propellors are so long that they would hit the deck if they were angled very much while rolling. They are meant to be taken to a safe altitude and then gradually transitioned into horizontal flight.

The ramps are not meant for the Osprey. They are meant for either Harriers or the JSF.

Why does Canberra have ski jump?

I so wish Royal Navy had 2 x LHD like these class to replace HMS Ocean

Also Royal Navy needs replacements for LPD HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark
Actually, the Royal Navy does have plans for future amphibuious vessels to do what you say, but they are all out beyond 2025. The Ocean is a perfectly good design, and it is relatively new, as are the Albion and Bulwark. They have another 15-20 years left in each of them easily. That is why the plans are out beyond 2025. I personally believe they should have two Oceans to match up nicely with the two carriers, the two LPDs, etc.

As to the new Aussie vessels, they are very nice and very capable. It would have cost them to redesign the ships without the ramp...but they would have also gained deck space. I believe they kept the ski-jump to keep their options open for fixed wing, JSF aircraft in the future.

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The French are the only other nation on earth besides the United States that can field and operate a nuclear carrier task force. With their Mistrals, the Horizon DDGs and the new FREMM FFGs, they are also very well equipped. They do need, IMHO, a newer SSN. But, just the same, they are very good at what they do.

IMHO, it is just a shame that they have not replaced both of their old carriers (Clemencau and Foch) with two new ones like the De Gaulle so they always have one available.
 
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asif iqbal

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The ski jump is integral to the hull of the Juan Carlos I from which the Canberra is derived and they chose not to incur the cost of redesign. Albion and Bulwark are only about 10 years old so not sure what you're talking about needing replacements they're good for another 15+ years.



Regarding HMS Ocean it is due to go into refit and will not sail again till 2014 and it will serve until 2018 under Current plans as its hull is built to commercial standard although the equipment is military grade also HMS Bulwark and Albion are due to serve until 2020 that's just 7 years away

Looking at worlds modern LHD and LPD RN amphibious ships are very old, no stealth features and no capability to handle F35

Royal Navy amphibious task force is based around 1 x LHD and 2 x LPD and all 3 are nearing their end life of 20 years service QE carrier will not be used as a helo carrier and once HMS Illustrious is decommissioned in 2014 for good and it's decided to refit HMS Ocean for a refit post 2018 UK will not have any LHD for 3 commando brigade
 

asif iqbal

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Actually, the Royal Navy does have plans for future amphibuious vessels to do what you say, but they are all out beyond 2025. The Ocean is a perfectly good design, and it is relatively new, as are the Albion and Bulwark. They have another 15-20 years left in each of them easily. That is why the plans are out beyond 2025. I personally believe they should have two Oceans to match up nicely with the two carriers, the two LPDs, etc.

Did you know Royal Navy actually had plans for 2 Oceans but the second one was cancelled even before the 1st was launched and it wasn't even that expensive, off the top of my head it was like £300 or something

Royal Navy amphibious task force is neglected and should be given more importance and faciltys considering the amount of times they have been called for action and their deployments for 42 commando
 

bd popeye

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But that LHD is truly a amazing ships looks so ultra modern and will add massive sea capability to Aussies, very nice layout and great design

the ship may be "amazing" but she's built to merchant standards. Not good if the real bullets start flying.
 

hkbc

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Regarding HMS Ocean it is due to go into refit and will not sail again till 2014 and it will serve until 2018 under Current plans as its hull is built to commercial standard although the equipment is military grade also HMS Bulwark and Albion are due to serve until 2020 that's just 7 years away

Looking at worlds modern LHD and LPD RN amphibious ships are very old, no stealth features and no capability to handle F35

Royal Navy amphibious task force is based around 1 x LHD and 2 x LPD and all 3 are nearing their end life of 20 years service QE carrier will not be used as a helo carrier and once HMS Illustrious is decommissioned in 2014 for good and it's decided to refit HMS Ocean for a refit post 2018 UK will not have any LHD for 3 commando brigade

Your understanding of the Royal Navy is seriously flawed, albion and bulwark are command ships, ocean provides vertical assault and the Bay LSDs the bulk carrying capability. The doctrine is to perform opposed assaults from beyond the horizon so what has stealth got to do with anything? there's 2 new carriers building which will be used to operate F35s.

At present albion and bulwark alternate between being in extended readiness and high readiness i.e. only one ship is active at once, neither is anywhere near their end of life in 2020 the Albion would have been in commission for 17 years and Bulwark 16 years, with long spells in extended readiness.

Albion and Bulwark are not aircraft carriers .
 
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