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Re: PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos II
I leave it at that regarging it and will disucuss the Russian response on the other thread...those negotiations I suspect will and should continue.
As to the Liaoling, as I have stated numberous times over the many years I have been on this forum, having started and continued the Varyag/Chinese Carrier threads to begin with...what the PLAN has accomplished is an amaxing and good thing for the PRC and the PLAN. They are building their own blue water fleet and they are doing so rapidly. Closing the gap between themselves and other nations very quickly and producing world-class vessels.
That does not change the fact that to date, the J-15 is just not ready for show time. They have not built them in production numbers yet. If they had, we would already, I am sure, see numerous of them on the deck of the Liaoling. They will get there soon enough, and when they do, we will know it becuase we will begin seeing a lot more J-15s at land bases and we will being seeing actual photos on their decks as opposed to the PS's (like the one above which I called as probably being an SU-33 on the Kuznetsov).
Once those things actually do happen and we have the real photos, there will simply be no need to PS them. Now, I understand PS'ing them because for years I have done so myself in an attempt to show others what the Liaoling wouuld look like...but when I did, I made sure people understood it was exactly that, a depiction of what might be as opposed to what is. I think I did pretty well with such pictures too.
Soon enough the Chinese Carrier will have its aircraft and begin in ernest the training and testing necessary to make it a truly operatonal STOBAR aircraft carrier...and it will be a nice one too when that happens.
I do the same and try to keep all of them updated on ,y:
I have both phtos and some videos there as I find them and make sure they are the real thing.
Also, if you acytually purchase an upgraded verison of Google Earth, they used give you access to later sat pictures in one of their options. Not real time, but much more current.
Uh...actually, no, Jackliu. Look back at the start of this new thread and you will actually see a picture of the Vikram that was placed on this thread and I did not put it there. A whole discussion of the IN carrier and the Liaoling and their respective sprinkler systems (which was and is a good discussion to have) developed from it. Get your own facts straight before you make such accusations.
I leave it at that regarging it and will disucuss the Russian response on the other thread...those negotiations I suspect will and should continue.
As to the Liaoling, as I have stated numberous times over the many years I have been on this forum, having started and continued the Varyag/Chinese Carrier threads to begin with...what the PLAN has accomplished is an amaxing and good thing for the PRC and the PLAN. They are building their own blue water fleet and they are doing so rapidly. Closing the gap between themselves and other nations very quickly and producing world-class vessels.
That does not change the fact that to date, the J-15 is just not ready for show time. They have not built them in production numbers yet. If they had, we would already, I am sure, see numerous of them on the deck of the Liaoling. They will get there soon enough, and when they do, we will know it becuase we will begin seeing a lot more J-15s at land bases and we will being seeing actual photos on their decks as opposed to the PS's (like the one above which I called as probably being an SU-33 on the Kuznetsov).
Once those things actually do happen and we have the real photos, there will simply be no need to PS them. Now, I understand PS'ing them because for years I have done so myself in an attempt to show others what the Liaoling wouuld look like...but when I did, I made sure people understood it was exactly that, a depiction of what might be as opposed to what is. I think I did pretty well with such pictures too.
Soon enough the Chinese Carrier will have its aircraft and begin in ernest the training and testing necessary to make it a truly operatonal STOBAR aircraft carrier...and it will be a nice one too when that happens.
Thanks, Jovian.
I do the same and try to keep all of them updated on ,y:
I have both phtos and some videos there as I find them and make sure they are the real thing.
Also, if you acytually purchase an upgraded verison of Google Earth, they used give you access to later sat pictures in one of their options. Not real time, but much more current.
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On the subject of big floaty things with large flat bits on top;
"On Wednesday, the hull of the first of the Royal Australian Navy’s two new amphibious ships, HMAS Canberra, arrived in Australia aboard Dockwise’s MV Blue Marlin, following a 13,000 nautical mile trip from Spain."
The article has loads of nice pictures.
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Full article can be found at:
h ttp://gcaptain.com/ship-photos-heavy-lifting/
"On Wednesday, the hull of the first of the Royal Australian Navy’s two new amphibious ships, HMAS Canberra, arrived in Australia aboard Dockwise’s MV Blue Marlin, following a 13,000 nautical mile trip from Spain."
The article has loads of nice pictures.
I Can't post links due to low post count, so remove the space after the first 'h'
Full article can be found at:
h ttp://gcaptain.com/ship-photos-heavy-lifting/
Thanks for that link!
Here it is:
I am really excited to see the Aussies get this vessel, the Canberra, and for them to get the island installed and get her outfitted and ready for final launch. The second vessel, the Adelaide, has already been launched in Spain (July 4, 2012) and is making its way over to Australia too. So, soon, the Aussies will have two very capable vessels capable of VSTOL operations if necessary.
They list them as Helicopter Dock ships, but you notice they did leave the ski-ramp on the design so I think the F-35B is a distinct possibility in the future ofr these ships.
Here's some of the pics fro the article:
...and here is the video of the Canberra launching.
[video=youtube;DPybOxYzY_4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPybOxYzY_4[/video]
...and here is the video of the Adelaide launching
[video=youtube;q2t0EREepIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2t0EREepIA[/video]
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Here is a more accurate representation of the process:
[video=youtube;ctkY391dEYQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkY391dEYQ[/video]
Nope. It may well be possible for them to make a long run from the after portions of the vessel and use the ramp...but why would you do so?
If they wanted to efficently operate such aircraft, then they would have gone CATOBAR because those aircraft were designed to maximize their utility in that environment.
No, if they are to have any fixed wing aircraft...and we have to presume that they ultimately intend it because they had the vessels built with the ski jump...then they are going to be F-35Bs. They could opt to get their hands on some older AV-8Bs from the US as the US begins replacing them with F-35Bs of their own...but again, why do so? Better than nothing perhaps, but with the F-35B available, I am sure the US would work out a deal for their close Aussie allies.
...and I bet that is what the RAN ultimately plans on.
I know their original intent was for the A model, and supposedly they weren't interested in the B, but I do suppose they could revamp their plans for the B. It does strike me as odd that they haven't already done so, seeing these two ships with their ramps?
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