TerraN_EmpirE
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even if you leave in the the USA programs the SVTOL type are by fare the most popular type of carrier, Meaning the AV8 and helicopters
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Yes...because they are the cheapest to build and operate. more countries can afford them, and they provide the added positive of easily being a amphibious assault vessel, either with a well deck, or as air assault with helos.
The US, France and Brazil are the only countries operating CATOBAR carriers in the world...and France has one (a nuclear powered one) and Brazil has one (an old French one, the Clemceau, which the new French nuclear carrier replaced.)
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I just love this baby picture, is that your little one? The big boys toys likes little people just keep going up, unfortunately there is a lot of silent or not so silent inflation in all our economies, but we're all locked into this bit of strategery, and if you watch the nightly news, things are "bad all over", if we hope to keep the little people safe, [and we all do], you suck it up and work harder?
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TerraN, the AV8 is going the way of the Do-Do, IMHO its only marginally more dangerous to go into combat, than it is to take it around the patch, it may have been one of the AV8 factory pilots, checking out in the F-35B that stated, "you have to be an Octopus to fly the Harrier, the F-35B is much easier and far more intuitive, likely because of the FCS which is probably even more complicated than that of the J-20, but takes the chores off your hands and is kind of like having an electronic F/O on board.
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Equation
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According to the guy's comment, it looks like 3 out of the 8 boilers were damaged, instead of 7.
TerraN_EmpirE
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I know the facts on the Age of the AV8 vs F35B, however remember right now they are not in production and with the F35 price the way it is. Not everybody is going too be able too pony up the Cash for a fleet, the second the factory starts rolling them out at full production.
So the SVTOL carriers of the world will need AV8's. It's likely too be seen continued in service fore sometime. the USMC is believed too be looking too keep Harriers in service until 2030, And that is A US military service one of the most well funded in the world.
So Take into account now a less well financially endowed country say Thailand for example. Now are they going too simply roll the Harriers off the deck of the HMTS Chakri Naruebet when F35's are ruling the Air? Thailand is not currently a member of the partner nations they have no commitment too the Lightning 2. So what about them or any other nation that has no cash or commitment too the F35? there options? How about Spain If they decided not too buy F35B's ( it is possible you know Government budgets kill procurement's all the time look at Brazil's F-X programs)?
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Option one: Maintain AV8 fleet as long as possible or until a replacement can bee ordered.
Option two: ( fallow Australia's Navy) revert too Rotary wing assets ( helicopters, Tilt rotors... ecta)
Reconfigure the ship for CATBAR or STOBAR. ( pricey, and demanding of procurement of compatible craft.)
I know the facts on the Age of the AV8 vs F35B, however remember right now they are not in production and with the F35 price the way it is. Not everybody is going too be able too pony up the Cash for a fleet, the second the factory starts rolling them out at full production.
So the SVTOL carriers of the world will need AV8's. It's likely too be seen continued in service fore sometime. the USMC is believed too be looking too keep Harriers in service until 2030, And that is A US military service one of the most well funded in the world.
So Take into account now a less well financially endowed country say Thailand for example. Now are they going too simply roll the Harriers off the deck of the HMTS Chakri Naruebet when F35's are ruling the Air? Thailand is not currently a member of the partner nations they have no commitment too the Lightning 2. So what about them or any other nation that has no cash or commitment too the F35? there options? How about Spain If they decided not too buy F35B's ( it is possible you know Government budgets kill procurement's all the time look at Brazil's F-X programs)?
Asked and Answered
Option one: Maintain AV8 fleet as long as possible or until a replacement can bee ordered.
Option two: ( fallow Australia's Navy) revert too Rotary wing assets ( helicopters, Tilt rotors... ecta)
Reconfigure the ship for CATBAR or STOBAR. ( pricey, and demanding of procurement of compatible craft.)
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Hey Jeff, remember when you said that India INS Vikrant will be ready in 18 month in 2014? And I said, fat chance, due to their past history of delay and budget overruns? We were going to wait for 2 more years to see who is right. Well, let me save you the trouble
I guess that big hull that was launched in 2009 is going to float there for a decade taking up real estate. Let me know if you want to revise your assessment.
I guess that big hull that was launched in 2009 is going to float there for a decade taking up real estate. Let me know if you want to revise your assessment.
MwRYum
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In that case...of the 3 Asian nations now operates carriers (those with S.Korea and Japan are still LPH), Thailand's spend more time in port then at sea due to financial pinch; India's are either close to retirement or stuck at the shipyard's phases; China finally got its first ship but its aviation assets are still years away...can't really tell who's in better shape.
I would say that China is in the catbird seat right now, with the commisioning of CV-16, they have a nice clean ship shape vessel, a half dozen J-15s maybe more, to begin preliminary air ops. They also have the mo-jo, mo-mission, mo-money, mo-prestige, mo-talent, and this is strictly conjecture on my part. CV-16 is a source of National Pride, its progress will reflect on China's street cred in the region, it is project 1A at the moment. While the other projects are ongoing, they simply aren't as pressing in the minds of the people who make these decisions?IMHO
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