Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)
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Falklands.
They never know when such a crisis will arise and at the time it is occurring, it is too late to build the resource necessary to protect them... and thus their posessions and citizens will be lost.
England is an island nation, with far flung interests and resource needs, and far flung parts of its common wealth. To not have the power to protect them is to ultimately not have them. Pretty straight forward.
navyreco
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“We had understood that the carriers were easily adaptable to take the ‘cats and traps’ system. That probably was true in their early design life, say ten years ago … but it was just more expensive to install the equipment in the carriers than we had been told at the time of the SDSR [in 2010].”
“We had understood that the carriers were easily adaptable to take the ‘cats and traps’ system. That probably was true in their early design life, say ten years ago … but it was just more expensive to install the equipment in the carriers than we had been told at the time of the SDSR [in 2010].”
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Too late to leave it behind...and the Russians would not accept that, they will want full payment.
The flaws you list are true...but they are not fatal, just limiting.
They will be able to launch from two positions, sequentially after one another rather rapidly.
Very few carriers outside of the United States ever launch two aircraft simultaneously, and it does not happen often even with the US...but it can and does happen, and if needed the four cats can put a lot of aircraft in the air very quicly.
But the Vikramaditya is going to be a large enhancement and improvement over the Viraat and the earlier Indian Carriers. With the Mig-29Ks and the parking that is available in front of and behind the Island, they will be able to conduct as good of air operations as any carrier outside of the Russian, the Chinese, the French, the new UK carriers, and the US.
IMHO, that will suffice for them until the get their 1st and 2nd indegenous carriers in place.
Overall, that is a really nice upgrade and enhancement to the former Soviet/Russian Gorshkov...which was the last of the Kiev class commissioned in 1987 and so has a lot of years left on its hull. For 2.3 billion (which wa a lot higher than they first wanted) they got that 45,000 ton carrier and a whole wing of Mig-29K aircraft and a lot of training and all the documentation. Even at that price,that's not a bad deal if it works as advertised.
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Does india really need aircraft carriers
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antiterror13
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Re: Does india really need aircraft carriers
Not really .... with hundreds millions Indians starving, unjustifiable
Not really .... with hundreds millions Indians starving, unjustifiable
You are right that it's now too late for the Indians to back out of this deal for financial, political and legal reasons. At least the Indians will have their domestic carriers to look forward to that would have more credibility than this one. However i do believe that the flaws on this carrier are fatal. To begin with there is very little space between the island and the runway and i think you're artist rendition of the carrier maybe too optimistic about how much space there will be on the deck. Which leaves virtually no space for the deck crew to work on the aircrafts. They have two choices. Either they can work on the runway itself which means all sorts of objects could fall on the runway and can cause serious accidents during landing. Or they can move their operations on to the space infront of the island robbing themselves of precious parking space and it could be a hazardous and hair razing experience both for the deck crews and the pilots to have planes take off and people working on the jets in such close proximity.
But the REAL problem of this carrier is the 30 ton main elevator. Any malfunction or poor timing in the use of this elevator could halt all flight ops at best or cause a catastrophic accident at worse. Because this elevator is located in the center of the carrier even on to the runway anything going wrong here means that the planes in the hanger cannot come up and even worse the planes in the air cannot land. The second elevator of 20 tons cannot take the weight or size of the MiG-29's so the 30 ton elevator is the only way in and out for the MiG-29's. Of course a jammed elevator is a serious problem on board any carrier but it does not cause the suspension of all flight ops or have the potential to cause a catastrophy on the ship like on the Vikramaditya.
Anyway i got a translation here of a blog entry from a former worker on the Vikramaditya.
But the REAL problem of this carrier is the 30 ton main elevator. Any malfunction or poor timing in the use of this elevator could halt all flight ops at best or cause a catastrophic accident at worse. Because this elevator is located in the center of the carrier even on to the runway anything going wrong here means that the planes in the hanger cannot come up and even worse the planes in the air cannot land. The second elevator of 20 tons cannot take the weight or size of the MiG-29's so the 30 ton elevator is the only way in and out for the MiG-29's. Of course a jammed elevator is a serious problem on board any carrier but it does not cause the suspension of all flight ops or have the potential to cause a catastrophy on the ship like on the Vikramaditya.
Anyway i got a translation here of a blog entry from a former worker on the Vikramaditya.
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