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CottageLV

Banned Idiot
Yea, can't make light of it because people's lifes are at stake in all of these incidents. But as to the incidents themselves and figuring out what happened and who, if anyone, is to blame...the Navy does a thorough investigation.

Depends on what happens and what if anything they do wrong. If its a incident that is not their fault as a pilot...then they may fly again. Same for the deck crews...simple accidents and they keep on working.

If its something that is their fault and millions in equipment is lost...they probably do not fly again off the carrier at least (or do not work on the carrier deck and get reassigned)...up to being completely grounded, reassigned, or even discharged from the service I suppose depending on the circumstances and the degree of negligence involved.

If they purposely or criminally do something, they could land in military prison.

So it really depends on the incident.


Lol, what about that air force pilot? the one that tried to pee but accidentally pushed the joystick a little too far. it wasn't like drink and drive, he did everything following the procedure, but made a small mistake that costed a 50 million dollar plane.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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In my 20 years of service I've only know one pilot that was grounded for any significent amount of time. He was then re-instated. I'm sure there were others.

A little different for enlisted maintenance(ground crew). I've know people that had certain certifications removed. Guys have been removed from the flight deck or sent to a non aviation job. It all depends on the depth of the accident. It's no laughing matter.

edit..I just viewed that video of the A-6 landing on CVN-72 in 1991. I remember that the pilot received an Air Medal for that safe landing.
 
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navyreco

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Sea Gripen would be compatible with Thai tiny carrier Chakri Narubet

Saab even briefed the Thais about it

Saab’s Sea Gripen is an affordable solution for the navy’s carrier borne fighter needs

Atul Chandra
Could the Saab Sea Gripen be the answer for the Indian Navies requirement for a carrier capable fighter capable of operating of its indigenous aircraft carriers? Saab certainly seems to think so and has made presentations to the Navy as well as to the Integrated Command on the Sea Gripen. According to Tony Ogilvy vice president, International Marketing, Gripen, SAAB AB, “The timeline for development and delivery is approximately five years. A concept-design phase lasting 12-18 months will be followed by a Saab decision on preparing a flight demonstrator. The first test aircraft could be ready in 2017 for proof of concept and carrier deck trials.” Saab has said that it would be in a position to begin deliveries in 2018, if a contract is secured. It had already provided a full response to the Indian Navy Request for Information on Sea Gripen in February 2010.

While India is the principal potential customer for the Sea Gripen, Brazil and Thailand have also received briefings on the aircraft. According to Ogilvy, Saab would like to work in partnership with the Indian Navy, Integrated Command, DRDO and shipbuilding authorities to demonstrate fully the major advantages that a Gripen fighter will bring to the new carrier fleet. Saab has already recruited a team of engineers to staff a new design centre for the Sea Gripen in the UK. According to SAAB, this design phase will build upon many years of investigative work already completed to produce a marine version with the engineers being a mix of Gripen specialists from Linköping, and UK-based experts on carrier operations. The intent here is to build a focused combined Swedish/UK team to deliver the production plans. The Indian Navy (IN) issued a Request for Inquiry (RFI) in the year 2009 for the acquisition of a new generation carrier capable fighter aircraft, the selected aircraft supplementing the Mig-29K of which the Indian Navy has 45 on order. The chances of acquiring another type could be made stronger by delays which continue to dog the indigenously developed LCA Navy fighter which has yet to make its first flight and is said to be overweight by around 300-350 Kg. Coupled with the fact that the Sea Harrier fleet will be retired by next year, one would hope that a situation does not arise leading to carriers setting sail without their full complement of air power. In fact, a recent CAG report on the Indian Navies flying arm went to say that while Naval Aviation holds the key to achieving ‘blue water’ aspirations of the Indian Navy, the current status of the Naval Aviation Wing’s fleet not only renders it ineffective in achieving these goals but would rather make it vulnerable to the growing sophistication of enemy capability.
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I really feel Saab is too optimistic with their still as of today "paper plane" capabilities... just sayin'

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Equation

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Sea Gripen would be compatible with Thai tiny carrier Chakri Narubet

Saab even briefed the Thais about it

Saab’s Sea Gripen is an affordable solution for the navy’s carrier borne fighter needs


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I really feel Saab is too optimistic with their still as of today "paper plane" capabilities... just sayin'

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Who knows, we have to wait and see? Saab engineers and designers are known to think outside the box as far as conventional performances of cars and planes.
 

tomcat21

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It would seem though that Brazil has forgotten one thing on Sao Paulo. A real air defense armament. She is still without an effective AAW self defense system like the Sea Sparrow, Albatross, Sea Wolf, ESSM, and even Aster missiles. Do they intend to rectify that problem or are they going the UK approach rely on barely capable Type 45 destroyers.
 

navyreco

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Related to Jeff's videos of "flight deck" mishaps in the last page...

April 1994 an Etendard IVP lands on Clemenceau carrier after being damaged by Serb SAM over Bosnia on a reconnaissance mission. The pilot manages to land depiste Elevators and Rudder being damaged and not responsive. Approach speed was higher than required and his wing man flew parallel to him to help him
[video=youtube;umYjVBQYKno]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umYjVBQYKno[/video]
edit: Seeing the two "tractors" at 0:13, I find it weird that they are still on the deck... Knowing a damaged jet was coming in to try a difficult landing I would have completely cleared the deck, what do you think BD Popeye ?

October 22nd 2002, a Luftwaffe (german air force) exchange pilot crashes his SEM right after catapult launch. According to rumors he made two "rookie" errors, or at least errors of pilots not used to carrier ops:
- His "trim" setting was wrong
- He kept his hand on the stick during launch

As a consequence the SEM climbs way too high right when it leaves the catapult
[video=youtube;d9a1vanKw7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9a1vanKw7o[/video]
[video=youtube;xu7jRUHa3-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7jRUHa3-8[/video]
 

delft

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Does this mean there is only one way for these Super Etendard aircraft to be launched? I was told, nearly half a century ago, that some S-2 Tracker pilots left HNethMS Karel Doorman flying straight ahead winning airspeed as soon as possible while other pilots climbed away hanging on their propellers.
 
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