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Jeff Head

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Why does India buy every big weapon system from abroad? Why doesn't it try to do like China does and develop it itself?
Well, they are building their own indegenous aircraft carriers.
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, is scheduled to be launched in late 2013 or 2014, and commissioned afterwards...probably 2016.

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On the LPHs or LHAs, they simply have no experience with them and are looking to bootstrap the knowledge by getting a foreign company to deal with them and probably build the first offshore with Indian technicians and engineers watching, and then build the others as a license build in India. After that, they might then build their own.
 

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Posting here as it is linked to "LHDs" and because I am not sure it deserved its own thread

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On November 24, 2011 the Direction Générale de l'Armement (DGA - French Procurement Agency) has taken delivery of the first fast amphibious landing craft (dubbed EDA-R for "engin de débarquement amphibie rapide"). The EDA-R offers five times the landing capacity of existing landing craft currently in service with the French Navy. The EDA-R will be used by the Marine Nationale's Mistral class LHDs.

Signed in June 2009 as part of an economy stimulus plan, the contract includes the acquisition of 4 EDA-R and their operational maintenance until mid-2015. The other three fast amphibious landing craft will be delivered by mid-2012.

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CNIM's L-CAT, named EDA-R in French Navy service
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Based on a unique concept (L-CAT for Landing Catamaran) patented by the CNIM company (Constructions industrielles de la méditerranée) the EDA-R is a fast catamaran while in "transit mode" which can turn into a flat-bottomed vessel (for beaching and getting into larger vessels well-decks) thanks to a platform lift station. Each Mistral class LHD can hold two EDA-R in its well deck.

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The L-CAT variable draft system explained
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Designed to land troops and military vehicles from an over-the-horizon amphibious vessel (30 nautical miles/55 km), the EDA-R can be used for humanitarian operations in areas lacking port infrastructures. With a length of 30 meters and a width of 12 meters, the EDA-R has a payload of 80 tons with a speed of 18 knots fully loaded and 30 knots when empty. Its doors at the front and rear simplify the loading and unloading of vehicles.

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Artist impression of an EDA-R loaded with VAB armored vehicles
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The hull is built in Saint Malo by the SOCARENAM shipyard , subcontractor of CNIM (the prime contractor). The craft is then finalized at Boulogne-sur-Mer. The workload generated by the construction of four landing craft is about 400 000 hours and accounts for over one hundred jobs for 3 years. In addition to CNIM and SOCARENAM, many French companies and SMEs are involved in the EDA-R program.
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[video=youtube;v4C6oXN9HqA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4C6oXN9HqA[/video]

Compared to LCAC:

Pro: Can sail in bad sea state as catamaran hull provides very good stability while LCAC
Cons: Slower than LCAC

(IMHO anyways)

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Also major con is that it won't be able to deliver vehicles in as many types of terrain as LCAC.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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True but the prime mission of these is not too go ridding around the enemy country side on the back of one but rather too get form ship too shore and take the fight too the enemy.
Oh and for the Record Pro: They take a bigger load then the LCAC. Tope LCAC load is 60 tons/75 ton overload (54/68 metric tons) the Ship-to-Shore Connector ( LCAC's supossed replace ment is about the same spec wise, but Frenchie here is spec'ed for Load: 80-100 tons overload.
 

delft

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If one is mechanizing a landing craft to the extent the French are doing it might be possible, perhaps even easier, to add hydrofoils and so increase speed and range.
 
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Jeff Head

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Well, they need to order more than four, that's for sure.

Seems like an interesting design. If it stands up to the rigors of at sea use and use in battle conditions and its maintenance is within acceptable limits, it sounds like a huge upgrade for the French, particularly over what they have had in the past.
 

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JMSDF Hyuga DDH 181
FYI, I've got a new page up on my
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It's for the new, larger
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that are now building.

Here's a couple of pics from that page:

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These will be significant players for the Japanese. They will be able to deploy up to two strong strike groups consisting of one Hyuga for ASW and SAR, one of these new 22DDHs as a Sea Control/Strike carrier, and a couple of AEGIS DDGs for escort duties.
 

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Something interesting here:
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Admiral Kuznetsov will be carrying eight Sukhoi Su-33 all-weather fighters, two Kamov Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopters and several brand new Mig-29K fighters. The Mig fighters were built for India’s air force and are supposed to be “tested” during their first assignment.
 

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Britain will have no aircraft carrier capability until 2020 and costs have climbed from £3.65bn to more than £6bn.

Labour’s Blaenau Gwent MP Nick Smith, who took part in the investigation, said: “The Public Accounts Committee has identified an eye-watering misuse of the public’s money.

“We’ll have fewer aircraft carriers and they won’t have full operational capacity until 2030 – what a mess.”

Labour committee chair Margaret Hodge gave a scathing account of the findings, saying: “Once again, a major MoD project will be completed much later, cost much more and offer less military capability than originally planned.

“Changes to the aircraft carriers and the aircraft flying from them in the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review have changed the risks and costs involved in ways that are not fully understood.

“Rather than two carriers, available from 2016 and 2018, at a cost of £3.65bn, we will now spend more than £6bn, get one operational carrier and have no aircraft carrier capability until 2020 – almost a decade.

“The second carrier will be mothballed, while the operational carrier will be available at sea for only 150 to 200 days a year. On top of that, the technology to enable the new aircraft to fly from the carrier is untested.

“The newly constructed ship will have to undergo immediate modification and the costs of this will not be known until December 2012.”

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