Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)

Those who'd settle for civilian-standard are usually those who either ain't planned to fight a war with countries that are their equal, or they've standoff strike capability that'd keep their ship out of range of their potential enemies.

bd popeye said:

Another thing most of those ships have one screw..one main propulsion plant. Not good for hi-tempo operations.

Just my opinion.

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And a good opinion it is too popeye. You know what they call a military surface vessel with only one screw, don't you?

...screwed.

I have always felt that a military, combat surface ship needs a least two for any kind of military operations.

Subs...those are different. They're "boats" anyhow.

bd popeye said:

True, both ships are not built to military standards.

When the bullets start flying I'd rather be aboard an USN CVN any day. Civilian ships are "wide open". They do not have the compartmentation of a naval vessel. That equals less water tight integrity. That equals greater sink-ablity.
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During Tanker Wars in the gulf they found that Crude Carriers are notoriously hard to sink. Especially with their double/triple hulls and thick crude couldn't ignite sometimes and adsorb most of the explosive power.

I can actually see some value in such ships for security or escort duties in a low intensity environment. Take some MSC vessels and convert them to LHA lights. That would mean a flat top to operate SeaHawks and UAVs up to preadator size, a platoon sized VBSS detail, and a well deck for maybe 2 armed patrol boats and a few RHIBs. Put those ships on security and escort missions around Somalia, the west african coast around Nigeria and the strait of Malaca. These ships will be more than enough for any sub-military-grade engagements and be a lot cheaper to buy and operate than full fleged LHAs. And they would also free up those high value assets.
I think it's also a possibility for smaller nations to substantially take part in international security operations.

I guess one only has to make sure than that certain people don't try to substitue real amphibs for those.

During Tanker Wars in the gulf they found that Crude Carriers are notoriously hard to sink. Especially with their double/triple hulls and thick crude couldn't ignite sometimes and adsorb most of the explosive power.

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These ships would not be carrying around all that crude. Some of those spaces may be converted for other uses. Such as Ammo & supplies

A Mk 48 ADCAP torpedo or almost any modern torpedo will disable the ship quickly or perhaps sink her.

Does anyone have any recent pictures of the INS vikramditya? It'll be interesting to see how it looks compared to the Varyag that's completing rebuild as well.

Has the vikramditya started to undergo sea trials yet or is it still being rebuilt -- I've searched but nothing's come up, and wikipedia goes cold on the trial from early this year?
Thanks ^^

Not too mention the enviromental disaster of such a crude cruiser leaking from battle damnage. A freighter carrier would need good escourts and advanced ASW,AEWC platforms long legged fighters and transports, top security too as tankers have been taken by force before. she would have the same problem the projected seabase has if your dealing with just a army or milita your good but add a navy and / or airforce and things get messy.

VIKRAMADITYA looks externally complete and underwent static engine trials in March. Yard sea trials are scheduled for the end of the year. Remember, this is a much more extensive modernisation than ex-VARYAG which is only being (sparsely) fitted out.

If you are very keen on pictures, try this link:

Thanks!

So if the Vikramditya hasn't left dock for sea trials yet, it looks like the Varyag might leave earlier?

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Russia and India agreed to begin sea trials of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (former Admiral Gorshkov) in Nov 2011. According to The Tribune, Indian Navy will receive the carrier in Dec 2012.

Having displacement of 45,000 tons and length of 283 meters, the aircraft carrier is being presently outfitted at JSC Sevmash shipyard (Severodvinsk). According to India's requirement, the ship will be specially redesigned for deck-based fighters MiG-29 stationed at Goa air base.

Part of the carrier's crew is currently trained in St. Petersburg. Expectedly, they will arrive in Sevmash to attend the sea trials.

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Seems like she will go to sea in the fall. Time will tell if this date is accurate. In this time frame she will go after the Varyag...but again, time will tell.