Aircraft Carriers II (Closed to posting)
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Incidentally the A4 that took the hit was assigned too Lt Commander Fred D. White, among the flight reading too take off the flight deck of the Forrestal was Lt. commander Herbert A. Hope who after jumping from cockpit in between cookoff's rolled into one of man over board nets climbed intoo the hanger deck and took charge of the firefighters Also there was one Lt. Commander John Sidney McCain III... Who also escaped the fire and later would become better known for his time as a Prisoner of war and Then Senator from the State of Arizona as well as on again off again Republican Nominee for President of the United states of America.
Now it seems that russia wont build any carriers before 2020, as told before
it seems that there is discord betwen the MoD and industry about this. What i find odd is that they make this discord for the public to see.
Here's a new link on my Worldwideaircraftcarriers.com site:
Click on the links to the three categories for high res comparisons of each type.
Carriers are not out of style, and their age is far from over. The numbers and varietes are escalating.
Enjoy.
Click on the links to the three categories for high res comparisons of each type.
Carriers are not out of style, and their age is far from over. The numbers and varietes are escalating.
Enjoy.
Great work as always Jeff, though I've long felt their should be a fourth category added to the three well known types of carrier, and if things had gone differently in the 60s we would have seen it. The best way to get a heavily laden aircraft off the deck is by catapult (max weapon and fuel loads leaves the deck at flying speed), followed by the ski jump (restricted fuel or weapon loads, but increased safety in case of engine failure on takeoff) and then the flat rolling takeoff (for a ctol type you'd need the whole length of the deck and you couldn't take any weapons or much fuel with you!). At the other end of operations, vertical landing is the safest form of recovery (you stop, then land at a gentle pace) and 'trapping' with arrestor wires is the most dangerous (you land then stop. Really fast! Danger of wires breaking killing deck crew and losing the plane).
So why has no one thought of combining the two safest and most efficient mthods of takeof and recovery? Well we did back in the sixties. The Supersonic Harrier P1154RN was designed to be launched by catapult from existing carriers (and was the first RN aircraft designed for nose tow launching) in order to takeoff with a full weapons and fuel load. Recovery was to be vertical, already proven with the first trials of the P1127 aboard Ark Royal R09 in 1963. Arrestor wires were to be retained aboard the carriers as conventional types such as the Buccaneer, Gannet and visiting USN aircraft were still to be operated, but this was seen as a first step towards a new method of deck ops. CATOVL? A great 'what if' certainly.
So why has no one thought of combining the two safest and most efficient mthods of takeof and recovery? Well we did back in the sixties. The Supersonic Harrier P1154RN was designed to be launched by catapult from existing carriers (and was the first RN aircraft designed for nose tow launching) in order to takeoff with a full weapons and fuel load. Recovery was to be vertical, already proven with the first trials of the P1127 aboard Ark Royal R09 in 1963. Arrestor wires were to be retained aboard the carriers as conventional types such as the Buccaneer, Gannet and visiting USN aircraft were still to be operated, but this was seen as a first step towards a new method of deck ops. CATOVL? A great 'what if' certainly.
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Jeff posted this in the PLAN CV thread..
If Big Daddy Popeye had anything to do with it this is how an USN CVW would look...right now..
24 F-14s..latest variants
miss those Tomcats!
40 Super Hornets
8 S-3 Variants
* 6 ASW
* 2 Tankers
4 Growlers/Prowlers
5 E-2D Hawkeyes
8 SH-60 variants
2 C-2 Greyhounds logistical support.
That's 91 aircraft my friend. In 1981 I was deployed on the USS America (CV 66) to the Mediterranean Sea and Indian ocean. On the America we had an 92 aircraft airwing. Yes it did fit rather snugly on CV 66 but it did fit!
If Big Daddy Popeye had anything to do with it this is how an USN CVW would look...right now..
24 F-14s..latest variants
miss those Tomcats!40 Super Hornets
8 S-3 Variants
* 6 ASW
* 2 Tankers
4 Growlers/Prowlers
5 E-2D Hawkeyes
8 SH-60 variants
2 C-2 Greyhounds logistical support.
That's 91 aircraft my friend. In 1981 I was deployed on the USS America (CV 66) to the Mediterranean Sea and Indian ocean. On the America we had an 92 aircraft airwing. Yes it did fit rather snugly on CV 66 but it did fit!
With the JSF B variant...it would be possible again.
BTW, check out my update to the QE page on my Aircraft Carrier Site. You'll like it.
Well, we know the French have built two and have just finished the third for themselves. So they now have three.
On another matter, here's a new Carrier Comparison pic I made...of all the carriers. Enjoy!
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