Air Division, Regiments, ... Bases, Brigades, etc

mack8

Junior Member
It's a crime that J-7 and J-8 are still in service, yes they might not be older than 20 years but still, considering the foes, they are too outmatched. JH-7 are obsolete too even if most probably even younger, but i guess for their attack role it's not quite as bad.

Anyway, do you have a brief summary for bombers too, especially the newer H-6 types?
 

gelgoog

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The Su-30MKK is a twin seat multirole Flanker of later design. The original Su-27 imports were retired except for the Su-27UBK trainers.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Are Su-30MKKs and original Su-27s still in active service?I heard some people say that most if not all of those have been transfered to flight schools and training brigades. Also I think there is only a single J-11A brigade left.
I don't think it matters whether a fighter jet is in a combat brigade or training brigade. If a full-scale war starts, those training ones could be used for combat roles as well. The most important thing how many they do have. I am not differentiating between combat vs training jets. Ofcourse I have ignored all dedicated trainers.
 

sunnymaxi

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Just posting it here as a repost just to keep track of numbers on this thread.




Here is my current estimate based on IISS 2025 numbers and guesses about newer fighter jet count.

J-10A 236
J-10S 77
J-10B 55
J-10C 240
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Total J-10: 608 (This is probably the peak count of J-10 as they will not add any new J-10)


Older Flankers:

Su-27UBK 32
SU-30MKK 97
SU-35 24
J-11A 100
J-11B/BH 345
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Total older flankers: 598

Even older
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J-8F/H 40
JZ-8 48
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J-8 total: 88

JH-7 : 200


Total so far - 1494


Now comes my own guess part augmented from IISS:

J-16 - 400 (300 according to IISS but SomePLAOSInt guesses it passed 400)
J-20 - 400 - 450 (As we have been discussing here for sometime)
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Ultra top Tier: 850 ish


Naval
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J-15: 100 (J-15 and J-15T)


J-7 - 150 (289 according to IISS, I am actually reducing it down by a lot)

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Final count - 1494+850+100+150 = 2594

So its actually almost 2600 fighters.
three batches of J-15T has already produced for three carriers.. and if you add older J-15 then total units are in between 150-160.
 

sunnymaxi

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It's a crime that J-7 and J-8 are still in service, yes they might not be older than 20 years but still, considering the foes, they are too outmatched. JH-7 are obsolete too even if most probably even younger, but i guess for their attack role it's not quite as bad.
that's hardly being used. and J-7 numbers are actually way less than 150.

in next 2-3 years. all will be phase out as J-35 production ramping up.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Anyway, do you have a brief summary for bombers too, especially the newer H-6 types?
These are IISS numbers for Bombers:

H-6A 12
H-6G/GMod 27
H-6J 18
H-6H/M 40
H-6K 110
H-6N 12+
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Total - 219

I think they are producing more H-6N at the moment. Even if they retire old ones, it will probably stay in the 200 range.
 

4Tran

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They upgraded radar and such but I believe one of the major reasons they want to retire J-10A/B is that even with overhaul it's hard to match performance of plane designed from the beginning for data link and such planes are going to be increasingly less viable as data link becomes ever more important. This would also be true for J-11.
There never was any upgrade program for the J-10A/Bs, and I think that it's more to do with the PLAAF not really wanting J-10s any more. Personally I think it's a shame because there's still a lot of utility in this plane and it should be a lot cheaper to operate than a Flanker, but it's how they want to do things. On the other hand the J-11 is a heavy fighter with longer range, a heavier weapon loadout, and probably better power generation to accomodate new systems. The J-11BG is quite possibly a better fighter than the J-10C; which would explain why the PLAAF is invested the upgrade to begin with.
 

Maikeru

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There never was any upgrade program for the J-10A/Bs, and I think that it's more to do with the PLAAF not really wanting J-10s any more. Personally I think it's a shame because there's still a lot of utility in this plane and it should be a lot cheaper to operate than a Flanker, but it's how they want to do things. On the other hand the J-11 is a heavy fighter with longer range, a heavier weapon loadout, and probably better power generation to accomodate new systems. The J-11BG is quite possibly a better fighter than the J-10C; which would explain why the PLAAF is invested the upgrade to begin with.
What about the air cooled AESA radar we saw on a J10A a couple of years ago?
 

mack8

Junior Member
The above means they will retire J-10A to training units, not that they will take them out of service completely right? It is indeed puzzling why they seemingly don't upgrade them with modern AESA and new AAMs as i see it's suggested. Still, as long as they are replaced with J-35s at a minimum and at least 1 to 1, i'm game.
 

4Tran

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What about the air cooled AESA radar we saw on a J10A a couple of years ago?
Honestly, this is the first I've ever heard about it! If this upgrade comes with datalinks and can use PL-10s and PL-15s, then it's pretty damned cool. The PLA seems to not deem it worthy of giving it a new letter designation so it might be less extensive than the J-1BG. I get why the PLA wouldn't want to operate it in the Southern and Eastern Theaters, but the J-10 is pretty good everywhere else.
 
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