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Jeff Head

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Re: Proposal for a US Navy Ticonderoga AEGIS CG replacement

Tasman said:
hadn't realised that the USN was using twin mounted 50 cal MGs. Mounting the 50 cals as twins makes sense as it doubles the volume of fire for little increase in weight and none in space. As far as I know the RAN only uses single mounted 50 cals but it could also benefit from twins. We used to use twin mounted 50s on our old air sea rescue launches so there are probably some hidden in storage somewhere!

2x25mm Mod 38s and 8x.50s would certainly make life difficult aboard hostile small craft.

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Heheh...that's right. But, I am now proposing 4 X Mk38 Mod 2s. I believe they are necessary, two fore and two aft.

If you get a chance, take a look at my proposed LCS replacement:

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Let me know what you think.
 
Tasman

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Re: Proposal for a US Navy Ticonderoga AEGIS CG replacement

Jeff Head said:
Heheh...that's right. But, I am now proposing 4 X Mk38 Mod 2s. I believe they are necessary, two fore and two aft.
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If the extra Mk38s can be worked into the design then they would certainly enhance close in defence. Four guns are always better than two! :D

BTW, I have had a quick look at your LCS proposal and will look more closely tonight when I get home from work. My initial reaction is that it looks like a compact but powerful corvette whereas I think a navy like the USN would be better off with slightly larger, wider ranging frigates to replace the OHPs.

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M16A2 vs AK-47

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Re: Proposal for a US Navy Ticonderoga AEGIS CG replacement

Why replace the Ticonderoga class Battle ships, they are perfictley good ships, the Navy will probably make some overly expensive ship like the DDG-1000 class ships that are so expensive that the Navy can only afored two of them out of 32 planed ships.
 
Jeff Head

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M16A2 vs AK-47 said:
Why replace the Ticonderoga class Battle ships, they are perfictley good ships, the Navy will probably make some overly expensive ship like the DDG-1000 class ships that are so expensive that the Navy can only afored two of them out of 32 planed ships.
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The Ticonderogas will begin reaching the end of their service life in the early 2020s. They will have to start being replaced at that point. This is a proposal to bridge the gap between when they start to be replaced, and when the all new CG design comes online.

Right now, the CGX program, like the DDX, is languishing and is (IMHO) trying to go for too much too soon, therefore pushing the technology envelope and costing too much.

This "bridge" design is realizable, 80% compatible with the Burkes, and adds the achievable new technology that will still make these combatants the most powerful warships on earth.

So...those are the reasons for the proposal...bringing the first ones online four to five years before the Ticos start being decommissioned.
 
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Re: Proposal for a US Navy Ticonderoga AEGIS CG replacement

M16A2 vs AK-47 said:
Why replace the Ticonderoga class Battle ships, they are perfictley good ships, the Navy will probably make some overly expensive ship like the DDG-1000 class ships that are so expensive that the Navy can only afored two of them out of 32 planed ships.
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They are aging. In a modern navy, it is unwise to keep warships around for too long, as the costs for maintenance and upgrades will eventually increase overtime. The ship's basic hull design is based off the older Spruance class destroyer; the basic design was not meant for a ship this heavy. Replacing them makes sense.
 
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Re: Proposal for a US Navy Ticonderoga AEGIS CG replacement

Pointblank said:
They are aging. In a modern navy, it is unwise to keep warships around for too long, as the costs for maintenance and upgrades will eventually increase overtime. The ship's basic hull design is based off the older Spruance class destroyer; the basic design was not meant for a ship this heavy. Replacing them makes sense.
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I guess you are right, we can't repeat the procurement holiday of the 1990's when the government failed to replace old equipment, and now we have to deal with this problem today in a time of war when our equipment is aging even faster.
 
Jeff Head

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Re: Proposal for a US Navy Ticonderoga AEGIS CG replacement

M16A2 vs AK-47 said:
I guess you are right, we can't repeat the procurement holiday of the 1990's when the government failed to replace old equipment, and now we have to deal with this problem today in a time of war when our equipment is aging even faster.
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Exactly, and at a time when the next class designs are languishing because of cost and mismanagement (and trying to bite off too much to quickly IMHO).

That is the whole purpose of this "bridge" proposal, to try and ward off the problems it will cause if there is another gap due to these issues.

Anyhow, I believe a Burke III (as it were) would be a great solution because it could incorporate achievable technological advances and do so on a platform that the US is already geared up to build.
 
bd popeye

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Re: Proposal for a US Navy Ticonderoga AEGIS CG replacement

Aegis news from the US Navy..

1) PACIFIC OCEAN (June 21, 2007) - Guided-missile destroyer USS McCampbell (DDG 85) passes the downtown San Diego waterfront after getting underway from Naval Base San Diego. The ship is changing homeport to Yokosuka, Japan, and will become part of the Forward Deployed Naval Forces (FDNF). The Aegis destroyer honors Capt. David S. McCampbell, the Navy’s all-time leading ace with 34 aerial victories during World War II. U.S. Navy photo by Cmdr. Jane Campbell (RELEASED)

2,3 & 4) PACIFIC OCEAN (June 22, 2007) - A Standard Missile (SM-3) is launched from the Aegis combat system equipped Arleigh Burke class destroyer USS Decatur (DDG 73) during a Missile Defense Agency ballistic missile flight test. Minutes later the SM-3 intercepted a separating ballistic missile threat target, launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility, Barking Sands, Kauai, Hawaii. It was the first time such a test was conducted from a ballistic missile defense equipped-U.S. Navy destroyer. The previous flight tests were conducted from U.S. Navy cruisers. The maritime capability is designed to intercept short to intermediate-range ballistic missile threats in the midcourse phase of flight. USS Decatur is one of 18 U.S. Navy ships (three cruisers and 15 destroyers) that will be identically equipped, by early 2009, with the ballistic missile defense capabilities of conducting long-range surveillance/tracking and launching the SM-3 missile. U.S. Navy Photo (Released)

5) BARKING SANDS, Kauai, Hawaii (June 22, 2007) - A medium range ballistic missile with a separating target is launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility. Minutes later, a Standard Missile (SM-3) was launched from the Aegis combat system equipped Arleigh Burke class destroyer USS Decatur (DDG 73), successfully intercepting the ballistic missile threat target. It was the first time such a test was conducted from a ballistic missile defense equipped-U.S. Navy destroyer. The previous flight tests were conducted from U.S. Navy cruisers. The maritime capability is designed to intercept short to intermediate-range ballistic missile threats in the midcourse phase of flight. USS Decatur is one of 18 U.S. Navy ships (three cruisers and 15 destroyers) that will be identically equipped, by early 2009, with the ballistic missile defense capabilities of conducting long-range surveillance/tracking and launching the SM-3 missile. U.S. Navy Photo (Released)
 

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Jeff Head

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Re: Proposal for a US Navy Ticonderoga AEGIS CG replacement

bd popeye said:
Aegis news from the US Navy..

1) PACIFIC OCEAN (June 21, 2007) - Guided-missile destroyer USS McCampbell (DDG 85) passes the downtown San Diego waterfront after getting underway from Naval Base San Diego. The ship is changing homeport to Yokosuka, Japan, and will become part of the Forward Deployed Naval Forces (FDNF). The Aegis destroyer honors Capt. David S. McCampbell, the Navy’s all-time leading ace with 34 aerial victories during World War II. U.S. Navy photo by Cmdr. Jane Campbell (RELEASED)

2,3 & 4) PACIFIC OCEAN (June 22, 2007) - A Standard Missile (SM-3) is launched from the Aegis combat system equipped Arleigh Burke class destroyer USS Decatur (DDG 73) during a Missile Defense Agency ballistic missile flight test. Minutes later the SM-3 intercepted a separating ballistic missile threat target, launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility, Barking Sands, Kauai, Hawaii. It was the first time such a test was conducted from a ballistic missile defense equipped-U.S. Navy destroyer. The previous flight tests were conducted from U.S. Navy cruisers. The maritime capability is designed to intercept short to intermediate-range ballistic missile threats in the midcourse phase of flight. USS Decatur is one of 18 U.S. Navy ships (three cruisers and 15 destroyers) that will be identically equipped, by early 2009, with the ballistic missile defense capabilities of conducting long-range surveillance/tracking and launching the SM-3 missile. U.S. Navy Photo (Released)

5) BARKING SANDS, Kauai, Hawaii (June 22, 2007) - A medium range ballistic missile with a separating target is launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility. Minutes later, a Standard Missile (SM-3) was launched from the Aegis combat system equipped Arleigh Burke class destroyer USS Decatur (DDG 73), successfully intercepting the ballistic missile threat target. It was the first time such a test was conducted from a ballistic missile defense equipped-U.S. Navy destroyer. The previous flight tests were conducted from U.S. Navy cruisers. The maritime capability is designed to intercept short to intermediate-range ballistic missile threats in the midcourse phase of flight. USS Decatur is one of 18 U.S. Navy ships (three cruisers and 15 destroyers) that will be identically equipped, by early 2009, with the ballistic missile defense capabilities of conducting long-range surveillance/tracking and launching the SM-3 missile. U.S. Navy Photo (Released)
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Great stuff popeye and outstanding pictures.

I have always wondered about taking an AEGIS system and installing it along with an Mk-41 VLS on land with the SM-3 missiles as a point defense for critical land based targets against ballistic missiles...or along the coast for more mid course interception. I believe it could be done.

Anyhow, these new cruisers (whether a bridge desing like I propose or the CGX when it comes on line) will be capable of the same and it is exciting to see.
 
bd popeye

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Anyhow, these new cruisers (whether a bridge desing like I propose or the CGX when it comes on line) will be capable of the same and it is exciting to see.
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I've been staying with my Navy son here in San Diego. Naturally we talk Navy!:D He's no insider but he thinks the USN will ask for more Arliegh Burkes instead of trying to fund the CGX program. He also feels a Arliegh Burke is equal to or even superior to a Tico.
 
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