A New Cold War?

Dante80

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The difference is that US was not interested in even ruling these areas. They installed military regimes that treated all the locals as essentially subhuman and had no long term visions for the area.

Culturally, there are vast differences as well. Asians, if the ruling party is also Asian, are going to be more accepting of authority in general. A Korean under Chinese rule can pass as somewhat Chinese just by learning Chinese.

Is an Asia encompassing empire possible in terms of security and integration? If we observe in history, yes. Despite the extreme cruelty against their occupied territory, today, the Empire of Japan is actually praised among South Korean and Taiwan right wing, Thailand, Philippines and other SEA countries. This tells me that with a much lighter hand from China, there may be initial popular conflicts, but the prevailing mood will, as illogically as it sounds, shift towards far higher levels of pro-China belief than if China didn't occupy them.

And while Imperial Japan only provided the most basic long term subject plans yet this was enough to buy gratitude especially among SEA, China has real experience in developing areas and a vision for an Asia based world order, for example with the GSI and so on. China can, unlike Japan in the past, offer a real path towards high income.

Technology arms race is real, but imo it's naive to believe that the ultimate reason behind tech race isn't to eventually enable the use of force. If Britain had only declared victory by having better tech than Qing, could they have reached the power they got without looting the wealth of their main rival? The same applies to PRC as well. They can have all the tech advantages in the world, but they still eventually need to pry open the doors of the west and take over their accumulated wealth.

Whether it be by overwhelming invasion in a grand pacific war or a smaller war primarily focused on destroying enemy government stability like the opium war, China needs an explosive moment to ensure western civilization will play ball for the foreseeable future. At the very least, open trade lanes, open investment and non-discrimination guarantee against Chinese businesses.

It is a good thing then that CCP does not possess these motives of conquest and empire that you speak of (and that Chinas' enemies desperately want to attach to it), and that its job as a fiduciary of the Chinese people and the free world is to continue the path to socialism and a multipolar world devoid of conflict and strife.

I know that some nationalists outside of China (and some Han nationalists inside of it) do not like to hear that, but contributing to a peaceful international environment is the core of Xi Jinping Thought after all.

And that is great for all of us. We will never see a Dai Tōa Kyōeiken rising again from the hearts of the people that suffered the most from it.
 
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Index

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And that is great for all of us. We will never see a Dai Tōa Kyōeiken rising again from the hearts of the people that suffered the most from it.
Dude I always believed and hoped the same as you, but open your eyes and look at reality. Look at what south Koreans are saying, look at the Philippines. Even look at what some people inside China are saying! There exist today, descendants of pro-Japanese collaborators, especially in Taiwan, who are pining for the return of precisely that.

The elites (which are the ones controlling the whole society's views) in many Asian countries have spoken and they hate the peaceful socialist China, but they love the Kyoeiken. They hate fair trades but love being taken to military brothels. Ask the Philippines, who are still masturbating over MacArthur "I shall return". Ask 陳水扁 if he prefers "multipolarity and peaceful growth" or Hirohitoism.

You are approaching problems from a socialist Chinese perspective, you see that we were the people who suffered from war, but Koreans, Pinoys, they don't see it that way. In their mentality, Empires such as Japan showed them the proof of strength, gave them opportunity to exploit their countrymen, and let them belong to something greater than themselves.

It is extremely uncomfortable for Chinese people to admit this, but it is a truth hidden in plain sight. Tell me, if anything I've said, is a lie?
 

Michaelsinodef

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Dude I always believed and hoped the same as you, but open your eyes and look at reality. Look at what south Koreans are saying, look at the Philippines. Even look at what some people inside China are saying! There exist today, descendants of pro-Japanese collaborators, especially in Taiwan, who are pining for the return of precisely that.

The elites (which are the ones controlling the whole society's views) in many Asian countries have spoken and they hate the peaceful socialist China, but they love the Kyoeiken. They hate fair trades but love being taken to military brothels. Ask the Philippines, who are still masturbating over MacArthur "I shall return". Ask 陳水扁 if he prefers "multipolarity and peaceful growth" or Hirohitoism.

You are approaching problems from a socialist Chinese perspective, you see that we were the people who suffered from war, but Koreans, Pinoys, they don't see it that way. In their mentality, Empires such as Japan showed them the proof of strength, gave them opportunity to exploit their countrymen, and let them belong to something greater than themselves.

It is extremely uncomfortable for Chinese people to admit this, but it is a truth hidden in plain sight. Tell me, if anything I've said, is a lie?
They are large irrelevant parties and interests, that don't really have an influence on politics and decisions.
 

Index

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They are large irrelevant parties and interests, that don't really have an influence on politics and decisions.
Don't delude yourself. Marcos is irrelevant? Yoon is irrelevant? The nephew of Nobusuke Kishi is irrelevant? William Lai is irrelevant? No influence on politics or decisions?

If you open your eyes to the painful truth, you see that most of Asia and all of China's enemies are calling precisely for the Dai Toa Kyoeiken. They hate China because we are not the Kyoeiken.

They don't want equality, humility and filial piety. They want a strong leader who tells them what to do.

China can continue being peaceful and keep being attacked by them, even today for example US is openly threatening territorial aggression... US state media is calling Taiwan an island "nation", like the Kremlin calling the Donbass "republics" right before 2022. And how are all these Asian brothers and sisters that China supposedly saved from Imperial Japan behaving regarding that threat? Any arms supplies, any promises of aid?

Or just give these other Asian nations what they expressed with words and actions that they want: a strong leader, a colonial government. You don't think that is what would make everyone happier in the long term?

Besides China can exercise a strong guiding hand without causing unnecessary abuse or crimes. The people are broadly morally upstanding, there is high social trust and high satisfaction with life. Were it Beijing that ran the Philippines and Thailand like how other colonialists ran them before, you'd be assured that there would be genuine development and that the PLA would not allow these areas to become the glorified brothels they are today.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Don't delude yourself. Marcos is irrelevant? Yoon is irrelevant? The nephew of Nobusuke Kishi is irrelevant? William Lai is irrelevant? No influence on politics or decisions?
Yea, they have little to no influence on Beijing, especially the very top.

If you open your eyes to the painful truth, you see that most of Asia and all of China's enemies are calling precisely for the Dai Toa Kyoeiken. They hate China because we are not the Kyoeiken.

They don't want equality, humility and filial piety. They want a strong leader who tells them what to do.
And why do you think those people will continue to be the leaders of their nations lol.

Maybe try research current popularity of Yoon in Korea.

China can continue being peaceful and keep being attacked by them, even today for example US is openly threatening territorial aggression... US state media is calling Taiwan an island "nation", like the Kremlin calling the Donbass "republics" right before 2022. And how are all these Asian brothers and sisters that China supposedly saved from Imperial Japan behaving regarding that threat? Any arms supplies, any promises of aid?

Or just give these other Asian nations what they expressed with words and actions that they want: a strong leader, a colonial government. You don't think that is what would make everyone happier in the long term?
Besides China can exercise a strong guiding hand without causing unnecessary abuse or crimes. The people are broadly morally upstanding, there is high social trust and high satisfaction with life. Were it Beijing that ran the Philippines and Thailand like how other colonialists ran them before, you'd be assured that there would be genuine development and that the PLA would not allow these areas to become the glorified brothels they are today.
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Maybe you should actually read up on some history on how a lot of those countries were when they were colonized.

Not to mention, why is China responsible for the development and prosperity of these nations?

You really are some racist who don't think they can work it out themselves?
 

Index

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Yea, they have little to no influence on Beijing, especially the very top.


And why do you think those people will continue to be the leaders of their nations lol.
And what if they continue to be? Like they have been for the last decade, why would that pattern break?
Maybe try research current popularity of Yoon in Korea.
The people grumble, but are powerless. If US attacked China, would the Korean people be able to close US bases? Actually do most south Korean people even want to? You should remember that Syungman Rhee's blackshirts were there alongside the IJA during the war.
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Maybe you should actually read up on some history on how a lot of those countries were when they were colonized.

Not to mention, why is China responsible for the development and prosperity of these nations?

You really are some racist who don't think they can work it out themselves?
They really can't work it out themselves. Half of them are basket cases and in some cases, they are threatening China first by supporting American revanchism.

You're making excuses for these people but they, or their representants don't do the same for you. How many of these countries have pledged to come to China's defense if China was attacked? How many pledge neutrality and would watch injustice being carried out? And how many outright pledge to the cause of USA to invade Chinese soil?

How many of them condemn Japanese Imperialism? Versus how many of them would rather ask for US help to combat "communist Chinese influence".

I'm racist? Idk. By the same standard, these Asian countries are led by racists also. Racists who worship their past colonizers and racists who eye Chinese sovereignity with greed. Isn't the latter attribute the same as what you accuse me of, that they know better than Chinese themselves and even the UN what should be Chinese territory and what not?

What other alternatives are there. These people are always seeking things to worship, and they don't want a meek god that preaches peaceful development and mutual respect. They want a mighty god like Imperial Japan or western imperialist, that summons forth fire, thunder and eats their daughters.
 
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Michaelsinodef

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And what if they continue to be? Like they have been for the last decade, why would that pattern break?

The people grumble, but are powerless. If US attacked China, would the Korean people be able to close US bases? Actually do most south Korean people even want to? You should remember that Syungman Rhee's blackshirts were there alongside the IJA during the war.
Ignoring the question of whether or not US even would.

Whether or not SK would participate, while I would say no (since they would have to face NK and China).

But there is indeed the chance the leaders might choose to do it.
So let's us assume that.

Well then what?
Would it be preventable? With what you were suggesting?
Or rather, how would one even go about with what you initially suggested?

Assuming no (not preventable), is the threat to China really that large? (spoilers, no, not in the grand scheme)

They really can't work it out themselves. Half of them are basket cases and in some cases, they are threatening China first by supporting American revanchism.

You're making excuses for these people but they, or their representants don't do the same for you. How many of these countries have pledged to come to China's defense if China was attacked? How many pledge neutrality and would watch injustice being carried out? And how many outright pledge to the cause of USA to invade Chinese soil?
NONE of them has "outright pledge to the cause of USA to invade Chinese soil?" lol.

They are all truly wall sitters, so if China was losing and US could land some foot hold on Chinese mainland, they would join in.

But else? lol.

At the end, the answer is to build up the PLA, to the point that they wouldn't dare go against China, it really is that simple.

How many of them condemn Japanese Imperialism? Versus how many of them would rather ask for US help to combat "communist Chinese influence".
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Quite a lot of them (condemns Japanese WW2 atrocities and imperialism), including lots of south koreans and the opposition party to Yoon.

I'm racist? Idk. By the same standard, these Asian countries are led by racists also. Racists who worship their past colonizers and racists who eye Chinese sovereignity with greed. Isn't the latter attribute the same as what you accuse me of, that they know better than Chinese themselves and even the UN what should be Chinese territory and what not?

What other alternatives are there. These people are always seeking things to worship, and they don't want a meek god that preaches peaceful development and mutual respect. They want a mighty god like Imperial Japan, that summons forth fire, thunder and eats their daughters.
Yea, you're racist in that you think people and countries 'needs' to be colonized.
(Essentially, you people don't know how to manage yourself, so some I approve of can come and be your boss and boss you around)

As for the alternative.
It's to foster and put people in power in those countries that want self determination and not to grovel and worship at others.
(And yes, it will be a slow, long and possibly painful process)
 

phrozenflame

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Whole SEA colonizing thing looks worst then the current order of affairs tbh.

Being vassal is still better than being a colony. :p.
 

Index

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Yea, you're racist in that you think people and countries 'needs' to be colonized.
(Essentially, you people don't know how to manage yourself, so some I approve of can come and be your boss and boss you around)

As for the alternative.
It's to foster and put people in power in those countries that want self determination and not to grovel and worship at others.
So we essentially want the same thing, but clothed in different terms.

"Foster and out people in power" which will either be by coup or by direct arms, it's also what I'm talking about.

"that want self determination and not to grovel".

But if that self determination is that they want to treat China and her interests unfairly, you'd surely not cheer for it?

And they don't need to grovel because China is not a racist society, so they don't need the grovelling, but in the no grovelling clause it includes no western or other imperialist worship. Which de facto means not deviating the mutually beneficial relationship with China.

"Essentially, you people don't know how to manage yourself, so some I approve of can come and be your boss and boss you around)"

But don't you also think that when you explain the necessity of promoting self determination and backbone against the west in their populations and leaders? If these people knew how to manage themselves, there would be no need to change anything about the status quo at all. We should let Japanese keep praising in Yasukuni. Let Philippines and Korea keep operating brothels for US army. Let most of their population keep eating pagpag while elites rant against "communists" in SEA.

What you say is of course what the public narrative should be. I'm just being off mask.

To clarify I've never once said that when China takes influence over these areas they should treat anyone unjustly. China should spread to them their positive values so all countries in the network can improve development together. But first China needs to take that influence. And you don't get it with isolationism and appealing to reason. You need aggressive expansion strategies.
 
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