51c conterversy

MIGleader · Dec 24, 2005

the 51c is causing alot of confusion for me

first off, are the chinese building one or two? ive only seen one at a time, eept for when some picture showed two hulls. other picstures show an unpainted 51c, even though these pictures came out after picture which showed a 51c painted 115

why would the plan commision one of class? doesnt it normally do two?
it could be argued that this is the sister to 167, but then why is it in a seperate fleet?

and 115 is a number jump over the last north fleet vessel, 113. what is going on?

New2u · Dec 24, 2005

BTW

there is one hull done(115) and the other one is beening build(114 i think)(u can find some pics on CMF or mabye later i'll post some pics.)

Sea Dog · Dec 24, 2005

Sinodefence doesn't list numbers opf hulls, but according to globalsecurity, PLAN should have 6 in service by 2015. Other sources seem to say similar things.

Su-34 · Dec 26, 2005

Sea Dog said:
Sinodefence doesn't list numbers opf hulls, but according to globalsecurity, PLAN should have 6 in service by 2015. Other sources seem to say similar things.

I think the PLAN will only have 2 O51Cs in sevice because the design of these hulls lack the stealth features of the 052C.The 051Cs are just built to finish the first Air Defence DDG project years ago when China ordered Russian S-300RIF SAMs.

Sczepan · Dec 26, 2005

MIGleader said:
the 51c is causing alot of confusion for me

first off, are the chinese building one or two? ...

and

Su-34 said:
I think the PLAN will only have 2 O51Cs in sevice because the design of these hulls lack the stealth features of the 052C.The 051Cs are just built to finish the first Air Defence DDG project years ago when China ordered Russian S-300RIF SAMs.

there is a pic of both 051 C in Dalian
=> no hangar - what does this means?
-> no sub-attack helos;
-> no shipborn "AEW carriing-helo" to take a look "over the horizon"
--> ?

Gauntlet · Dec 26, 2005

Maybe they decided that it was not priority number one to carry ASW choppers on AA focused warships?
The extra space would mean much larger storage space for missiles.

no shipborn "AEW carriing-helo" to take a look "over the horizon"

Are the 051C's supposed to carry AEW choppers?

If so, they will be the first non-carrier warships I know of to carry them. The hangar space (if it will even have a hangar) would much more likely be occupied of 1-2 ASW choppers, as traditionally operated.

But then again, an AA focused warship would have much more need for an AEW chopper, than an ASW one.
As far as I know, these ships would mostly operate together with other warships which maybe has a more focused armament on ASW missions.

Sczepan · Dec 26, 2005

Gauntlet said:
....As far as I know, these ships would mostly operate together with other warships which maybe has a more focused armament on ASW missions.

and AEW choppers or planes, carriing with the one ship in the background, right site of first pic?

Sea Dog · Dec 26, 2005

Gauntlet said:
Maybe they decided that it was not priority number one to carry ASW choppers on AA focused warships?
The extra space would mean much larger storage space for missiles.

Are the 051C's supposed to carry AEW choppers?

If so, they will be the first non-carrier warships I know of to carry them. The hangar space (if it will even have a hangar) would much more likely be occupied of 1-2 ASW choppers, as traditionally operated.

But then again, an AA focused warship would have much more need for an AEW chopper, than an ASW one.
As far as I know, these ships would mostly operate together with other warships which maybe has a more focused armament on ASW missions.

This all leads to some interesting questions. The foot-print and coverage of Y-8 for AEW protection over 051C assets, and the distance the 051C's would operate from Chinese waters. In order to depend on coveage you would need a forward deployed presence in the operating area you wished to operate in. So that leads me to think that the PLAN may be interested in a dedicated AEW helo. Definitely not as much coverage as a fixed wing counterpart. A drop in the bucket really. But enough for a SAG in it's designated area.

Gollevainen · Dec 26, 2005

Are the 051C's supposed to carry AEW choppers?

If so, they will be the first non-carrier warships I know of to carry them. The hangar space (if it will even have a hangar) would much more likely be occupied of 1-2 ASW choppers, as traditionally operated.

i belive he ment Missile guidance helicopter, like the Ka-25 Hormone-B.

But 051C hull size effectively decides in, wheter a big Russian SAM system or multipurpose/ASW suite. I find it rather peculiar that China would go for single duty ships, when the current need for a modern-navy-as-fast-as-possiple policy should call for multipurpose ships...

Sczepan · Dec 26, 2005

Gollevainen said:
i belive he ment Missile guidance helicopter, like the Ka-25 Hormone-B. ...

The TYPE 051C is an AIR DEFENCE GUIDED MISSILE DESTROYER;
I ment AEW Helos like the Ka-31 AEW helicopter

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The main mission of the helicopter is long-range detection of threats, including airborne threats such as fixed wing aircraft and helicopters. Surveillance, target tracking and transmission of the target data to the command posts is carried out onboard the helicopter. The early provision of hostile target information increases the combat efficiency of naval, air defence and land forces.

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