2025 Victory Day parade thread (workup, 3rd Sept)

[Frederik_Chopin]

now we get some new pics……
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God that is such a large number of vehicle for a parade, and to think they'll also be revealing a lot of new vehicles and armaments! I don't think I have been hyped for a parade since a long while.

Maybe they should put Fujian on some sort of road mobile platform and include it in the parade too

 

[daifo]

Maybe they should put Fujian on some sort of road mobile platform and include it in the parade too

I think we will have to wait for the next Naval Review. Should be spectacular assuming the weather is good.

 

[mack8]

I think we will have to wait for the next Naval Review. Should be spectacular assuming the weather is good.

When is the next naval review?

 

[tamsen_ikard]

I'm a aware that ballistic missiles can maneuver, but the degree is always up for debate, also no ballistic missile is doing tight turns and aerobatics, so the lack of an inlet, or the existence of an inlet on an air breather isn't much of an issue. We're not talking about highly maneuverable AAMs here (although even there the Meteor is making a case for that layout).

Also generally speaking Ballistic missiles are the preferred choice for high payload, long range fire, as they offer the package in a more compact form and can extend their range greatly with additional stages. Why do you think everyone uses intercontinental ballistic missiles and not intercontinental cruise missiles? Or why are air launched ballistic missiles seeing increasing popularity (especially in China and Russia)? Food for thought for you. There are very long ranged cruise missiles, like the Kh-101, but even these come hardly close to the longest ranged ballistic missiles.

Furthermore, YJ-21 has a larger diameter than Zircon, while both are probably in the 8-9m range with regards to length. Meaning that the BM should pack quite some propellant to get it on a good and thus long range trajectory. Either way, I'm rather confident both missiles exceed the range cited, as missiles tend to do.

You know, ballistic uplifting trajectory does not mean no maneuvering capabilities. Actually rocket engine missiles maneuvers better than air breathing ones because they are not constrained by inlet air. Ramjets and Scramjets choke with large attack angles. What they should have are longer ranges but zircon is not very successful in that critique.

You guys are forgetting the key advantage of Cruise missiles and the biggest drawback of ballistic missiles. Cruise Missile fly at much lower altitude, and thus they can avoid radar detection due to Earth's curvature. Fast cruise missiles can only be detected with maybe a few seconds reaction time.

On the other hand, Ballistic missiles are lofted in space and are detected thousands of KMs away. This allows defenders long time to launch multiple missiles, calculate trajectory and more. As interception technology gets better, ballistic missiles will be much easier to intercept and fast low flying cruise missiles might be the only viable option.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

On the other hand, Ballistic missiles are lofted in space and are detected thousands of KMs away. This allows defenders long time to launch multiple missiles, calculate trajectory and more. As interception technology gets better, ballistic missiles will be much easier to intercept and fast low flying cruise missiles might be the only viable option.

HCMs cannot fly at low altitudes, thus they cannot stay below the radar horizon. Ballistic trajectory calculation has reduced utility for intercepting BMs that can maneuver during the descent phase, and are essentially useless for intercepting HGVs.

 

[vincent]

Hypersonic missiles may fly a depressed trajectory, potentially the entire flightpath stays within the atmosphere.

 

[daifo]

When is the next naval review?

There was a PLAN Anniversary parade during Covid but it was too foggy for any good footage. Naval Review with Xi on a Destroyer was a couple years before that. My guess would be a special year like 2027 PLA 100 year anniversary.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

HCMs cannot fly at low altitudes, thus they cannot stay below the radar horizon. Ballistic trajectory calculation has reduced utility for intercepting BMs that can maneuver during the descent phase, and are essentially useless for intercepting HGVs.

Flying at 10KM in the atmosphere is still better than flying 500KM lofted trajectory for a ballistic missile when it comes to avoiding detection due to earth's curvature. Cruise Missiles will always fly much lower than ballistic missiles.

Hypersonic ballistic missiles if flying low will have the drawback of losing energy due to air resistance. The faster they move, the greater the air resistance and thus greater loss in speed. Cruise missiles on the hand are always powered and thus can maintain a constant flying speed.

 

[bsdnf]

Ayi: Two types of suicide drones similar to the Shahed will not participate in the parade, because of their “negative impact.”

PLA's “Shahed” is actually derived from the Harpy, such as the ASN-301 anti-radiation drone. It may be out of concern that some people with ulterior motives would link it to Russia and Iran, or because it is too “low-tech” and gives the impression that PLA still relies on quantity, although the SVO shows that the quantity of ammunition is indeed important.

 

[4Tran]

Ayi: Two types of suicide drones similar to the Shahed will not participate in the parade, because of their “negative impact.”

PLA's “Shahed” is actually derived from the Harpy, such as the ASN-301 anti-radiation drone. It may be out of concern that some people with ulterior motives would link it to Russia and Iran, or because it is too “low-tech” and gives the impression that PLA still relies on quantity, although the SVO shows that the quantity of ammunition is indeed important.

It's probably a prestige thing. China already has a million impressive drones to show off so there's no need to present the less impressive stuff. That's especially the case since these are the same kind of weapons that the Houthis use. I'm also certain that the parade organizers are keeping how dumb looking the US Army drones looked during that birthday parade and they're sure as hell not going to risk repeating the same thing.