2025 Victory Day parade thread (workup, 3rd Sept)

[Tomboy]

how about for the start YJ-21 ?

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YJ-21 is a rocket powered missile not a scramjet

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

it is good to drop a less optimized system IMO. supersonic cruise missiles necessarily have to fly high and are vulnerable in flight as they're within the flight envelope of typical aircraft. Mach 4 terminal is more like Mach 2 cruise, which is fast but not that fast for a non-maneuvering, blind aircraft. If a SAM or AAM can shoot down a F-15 or Su-27 with its radar off, it can shoot down a Mach 2 missile too. Yes it will be with much greater difficulty than subsonics, but it is still possible. A ballistic missile on the other hand is just completely outside the flight envelope of most SAMs and all AAMs.

So DF-100 is nothing more than an enlarged longer-ranged YJ-12? If M2 really is the cruising speed, then is very disappointing indeed.

 

[REautomaton]

now we get some new pics……

 

[Temstar]

That's not Dark Sword is it?


I had assumed the project was long dead but there were rumours in 2023 that 家有神兽 prominently featured it in his video were it was acting as J-20S's CCA because he got a nudge on the shoulder.

 

[mack8]

That sat image configuration certainly reminds me of the video of the CCA/UCAV spotted some months ago. Still another month left to chew our nails waiting.

 

[EmoBirb]

how about for the start YJ-21 ?

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Isn't the YJ-21 an AShBM? Are you seriously comparing a ballistic missile with a maneuvering, air breathing missile? Lol.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

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That's not Dark Sword is it?
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I had assumed the project was long dead but there were rumours in 2023 that 家有神兽 prominently featured it in his video were it was acting as J-20S's CCA because he got a nudge on the shoulder.

Just a wild guesswork of mine.

This one (if it is indeed Dark Sword or Dark Sword-reincarnated) looks to be a medium-tier CCA UCAV, judging by its size and position in the parade formation relative to the other two larger, high-tier CCA UCAVs.

Hence, if the above assumption is true, then imagine what would be in store in those high-tier CCA UCAVs. Holy sh1t...

 

[qwerty3173]

Isn't the YJ-21 an AShBM? Are you seriously comparing a ballistic missile with a maneuvering, air breathing missile? Lol.

You know, ballistic uplifting trajectory does not mean no maneuvering capabilities. Actually rocket engine missiles maneuvers better than air breathing ones because they are not constrained by inlet air. Ramjets and Scramjets choke with large attack angles. What they should have are longer ranges but zircon is not very successful in that critique.

 

[bsdnf]

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That's not Dark Sword is it?
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I had assumed the project was long dead but there were rumours in 2023 that 家有神兽 prominently featured it in his video were it was acting as J-20S's CCA because he got a nudge on the shoulder.

It could be an FH-97, a Dark Sword, or a similar but unrelated model. It's too blur to confirm.

 

[EmoBirb]

You know, ballistic uplifting trajectory does not mean no maneuvering capabilities. Actually rocket engine missiles maneuvers better than air breathing ones because they are not constrained by inlet air. Ramjets and Scramjets choke with large attack angles. What they should have are longer ranges but zircon is not very successful in that critique.

I'm a aware that ballistic missiles can maneuver, but the degree is always up for debate, also no ballistic missile is doing tight turns and aerobatics, so the lack of an inlet, or the existence of an inlet on an air breather isn't much of an issue. We're not talking about highly maneuverable AAMs here (although even there the Meteor is making a case for that layout).

Also generally speaking Ballistic missiles are the preferred choice for high payload, long range fire, as they offer the package in a more compact form and can extend their range greatly with additional stages. Why do you think everyone uses intercontinental ballistic missiles and not intercontinental cruise missiles? Or why are air launched ballistic missiles seeing increasing popularity (especially in China and Russia)? Food for thought for you. There are very long ranged cruise missiles, like the Kh-101, but even these come hardly close to the longest ranged ballistic missiles.

Furthermore, YJ-21 has a larger diameter than Zircon, while both are probably in the 8-9m range with regards to length. Meaning that the BM should pack quite some propellant to get it on a good and thus long range trajectory. Either way, I'm rather confident both missiles exceed the range cited, as missiles tend to do.