2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Sinnavuuty

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Yep yep, they are hiding deaths too.

Wait there is an israeli base in azerbaijan? and that wasnt targeted ? But QATAR WAS? What??

Assuming this is somewhat accurate (we alteast know caspian sea was used) for sure
Can someone more knowledgeable tell me that If IAF had air superiority over western iran, why would they go about the long way like that? For the surprise element? Wont it be quicker and less complicated to go straight?
The mountainous terrain, which disrupts its radar coverage, and the relative scarcity of air defense systems relative to its considerable territory present serious problems for Iran's air defenses. The IAF has opened corridors to the northwest and then the western side of Iran, taking advantage of these weaknesses in Iran.
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AlexYe

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Regarding why Iran (if they knew anything) didn't attack the supposed Israel bases in Azerbaijan, think about it.

Israel hasn't publicly announced any off shore bases that it has. This gives a plausible deniability by Israel if any of those bases being targeted, not to mention the entire Western media narrative fully back Israel's endeavour.

Not to mention striking Azerbaijan would incur the wrath of Turkey, which is the last thing the Iranians would have wanted.
Armenia And Azerbaijan are the countries where global geopolitics truly become spaghetti.
You have Azerbaijan supported by: Israel, Pakistan, Some EU countries (except france) and Turkiye.
Then Armenia which is backed by: India, US, Russia and Iran.
Imagine if all the backers had military alliances with these countries and they declared war on each other, auto-ww3 /jk
The mountainous terrain, which disrupts its radar coverage, and the relative scarcity of air defense systems relative to its considerable territory present serious problems for Iran's air defenses. The IAF has opened corridors to the northwest and then the western side of Iran, taking advantage of these weaknesses in Iran.


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Iran's terrain is such a fortress, they should move some of their sensitive factories etc to the east tho, Use the size for advantage.
 

zyklon

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Not doing your homework for you.

If you were willing to acknowledge that online claims from the early days of the "12 Day War" alleging
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Indian participation in clandestine ground operations against Iran were in fact false, we'd perhaps be able to move on to a more salient and interesting discussion concerning the role information operations has played in this conflict, especially with regard to who might have initiated and propagated such disinformation and to what end.

Yet you try to derail the conversation with nonsense like this:

You're operating with poor comprehension. US was more than willing to do Israel's dirty work in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and Libya OPENLY. Nothing clandestine about it.

It's totally 'OK' if you're ignorant of recent American clandestine ground operations that have occured in
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, that have accompanied more overt efforts in the air, or how they contribute to American (mis)adventures.

In an era where visible "boots on the ground" have grown increasingly politically unpalatable with the American public, multiple administrations have shown a preference for clandestine ground operations over more overt alternatives that may invoke excessive domestic resistance. However, such preferences have inevitably come at the expense of developing and sustaining relatively more conventional capabilities.

This means certain military options against Iran, in particular a Iraq-style invasion, are completely off the table, absent the activation of a large number of reservists and/or significant foreign contributions of ground forces.

What makes you think now that US will make an exception for Iran? The only thing holding US back is a proper strategy and the regional implications on US allies across the Persian Gulf.

I can go on, but continuing any sort of conversation with someone as insistent as you of their utterly uninformed takes is just too tiresome . . .
 

Michael90

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The Iranians keep talking tough when they'd be better off staying quiet. They never seem to learn, now they are back to making big threats and loud speeches (I saw a few statements earlier today from their supreme leader and foreign minister). I have no doubt in my mind deep inside every country is actually happy that these guys don't have nukes.. They should take the face saving that Trump gave them. If they had any understanding of how Trump operates (his personality), they'd stay quiet.
Come on guys. Let’s be honest. Irans regime needs to boost their legitimacy and show an image of strength towards its people and militias/proxies in the region. So their leaders have no choice but to engage in such rhetorics just like they have always done. It has always been the modus operandi of the Islamic regime since the revolution and it won’t be stopping anytime soon. Except there is complete change in the regimes system and policy , which is unlikely obviously.
 

Michael90

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Why should they stop talking tough? They won the war. They overpowered israel and it was israel who wanted peace cause they no longer have enough missiles to intercept and their infrastructure was getting decimated.

Why should Iran be afraid of Trump when Iran has enough missiles to destroy all US bases in the region. Iran has enough missiles to sink entire US carrier strike groups.

Why should Iran be afraid when they can close the hormuz and blow up the world economy if the US tries to hit Iran too much?

US has absolutely no desire to start a full scale war with Iran. They have no leverage when they cannot project power anymore.


People here need to decide what they think happened. US and Israel backed down. They are in no position to act tough after backing down.
Agree, Iran should carry on with their current policies. It has served them well so far. :)
What are you talking about? Before October 7th and the "Iran backed" axis of resistance, west especially, have been comfortably numb about Palestine. Did They? Now after these events no one can say "i didn't know" and shit like this. Ι've been lurking too but these comments were really few. Have you seen the map of 2020 Trumps proposal for the Palestinian state? A f#@ing tunnel connecting Gaza with West bank, 15 zionist camps inside west bank, no physical borders with Jordan and the comprador Palestinian Authority, collaborating with zionist at oppressing the Palestinian people. It's a matter of existence. The Zionists and Uncle Sam are thirsty for blood and resources
Huh…. Yeah but what has that have to do with Persians?lol. It’s only because the mullahs/islamists took over power in Tehran, else Iran will be like all non Arab countries (just an observer and verbal critic) .
 

Michael90

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I dunno what makes Iran so boastful and tone deaf like India.

I can't believe its Trump of all people who's giving them a face saving way of getting it out. And instead of taking it and exiting quietly, they decide to be loud mouthed again. Why aren't they loud mouthed when its actually needed during the war?

Its not a matter of pride but a matter of playing it smart.
The thing is that Iran knows the US wants to focus on China/Asia pacific and doesn’t want to get involved in any middle eastern war. Plus the US public and even some in the system are against getting into any wars in the Middle East (barring a major attack and threat against the US). So Iran is playing on this. We can say Iran has to thank Chinas rise for giving them enough leeway against the US, since without the coming threat from China(and past military DEBACLE IN IRAQ)the US would have been getting involved much more actively against Iran , they would have probably have gotten the iraqs Saddam treatment.
 
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