4th gen is still useful against 5th gen in a defensive scenario aided by ground based sam. Iran is also mountainous, so lots of places to hide and ambush. This kind of terrain is not suitable for bvr combat and f-35 will have difficulty finding and shooting planes hiding behind mountains.
2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
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Israel has 45 F-35s. If their F-15s and F-16s are held back because of fear of being shot down, that reduces their effective fleet from 250 planes to 45 planes. Iran also has home advantage because they can fly with high missile loadouts defensively while Israel has to run drop tanks.
J-10s aren't solely useful against other planes, they can also shoot down subsonic cruise missiles and recon drones.
250 is already more than estimates I have based on the 65% interception rate, I have seen people doing the math from 130 to 175's.
if 250 hit then thats even worse.
Keep in mind US+UK+France+Jordan+ Israel Planes +AD's were all providing defense.
And Israel was attaching fuel tanks to their F35's for increased range so they wont be as stealthy as without them (I assume)
J10's with some awacs, ground radars etc would keep all the non 5th- gen stuff away , just the idea of 'contested' airspace would limit their operations alot.
Also Also was this posted here?
where did you get your 130-175 impacts from? And I know it’s not 250. The other guy said there is no proof the majority were intercepted. Iran launched about 500 missiles half of 500 is 250, so if he’s saying there is no proof that the majority were intercepted than he’s saying it’s possible that more than 250 missiles hit what considering Iran mostly used older missiles and Israel AD systems and help of the US it’s near impossible that many hit
The J-10 doesn’t match up to the F-35 but considering that the majority of the F-35 attacking Iran were being refueled and that the J-10 can hit a tanker and if the tanker is hit from the PL-15E both planes will be destroyed. A J-10 would be incredibly useful for Iran if they are able to keep it safe
The Iranians keep talking tough when they'd be better off staying quiet. They never seem to learn, now they are back to making big threats and loud speeches (I saw a few statements earlier today from their supreme leader and foreign minister). I have no doubt in my mind deep inside every country is actually happy that these guys don't have nukes.. They should take the face saving that Trump gave them. If they had any understanding of how Trump operates (his personality), they'd stay quiet.This guy is absolutely roasting them like no other. An absolute beatdown.
He might be a narcissist, but he's no psychopath like the others.
Look how brazen they are now:
Various math folk on twitter etc, Iran launched about 620+ missiles and about 500 reached israel territory (crossed syria etc) this is from israel's own media claims/sources. Day 1 their inteception was 90% but when iran switched to newer missiles it dropped to 65% (this is also from israel's own media), there was also that hebrew israel media ex-idf guy that said israel's Hetz (Arrow) missiles werent not being as effective and iranian missiles were hitting (We saw 2-3 different Israel AD's having malfunctions).
So conservative to looser estimates fall within these ranges from what i have seen from various folk.
We never even got the videos from all the military bases that were targeted
This guy is absolutely roasting them like no other. An absolute beatdown.
He might be a narcissist, but he's no psychopath like the others.
Man Iran should keep its head down, And play with trump, but nah they have too much pride of their own to do that.
Praise trump a little, send him state invite, get the sanctions removed since 'the evil nuclear sites' are all gone now. Take advantage of this.
Ok, thank you. Can you link those by any chance?