2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

PLAwatcher12 said:

Where is the proof than other than what Iran claims.

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1. 2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
Gonna ask @sheogorath to elaborate

2. Don't need proof. If they hid a command center under a civilian center before you can morally assume that all of their civilian centers are open game and that's how they operate.

3. Don't need proof. They do it to you so you can do it to them.

PLAwatcher12 said:

it is true, you might want to but that doesn’t mean its moral or right especially when civilians are involved.

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For the reasons outlined above, it is absolutely moral and right, to any country that acts as Israel but especially even more to Israel because their own people from the President down to the street sweeper proclaim, "No one is innocent." It's their own words. They're not innocent and they deserve everything dealt to them; they're all guilty from the horse's mouth. Why are you trying to say that they are innocent civilians when they all declare themselves to be guilty?

PLAwatcher12 said:

killing civilians will never lead to peace and nether will mass destruction, Israel and any other country will only attack more and more destructive when killing civilians is involved it has never worked and never will

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Oh ok. I guess if you say, "never" enough times, it becomes true LOL. Hey, I have a question: is there peace today between Native Americans and the current American government? How was it achieved? Through peaceful negotiating or through killing so many Native Americans that they just gave up? Live history to prove you wrong even though logic should have done it easily.

siegecrossbow said:

Does it matter? What they currently have in Centcom is already overkill…

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I have heard that 5 Carriers could be in the AOR, which includes the two British CVs, but I saw from the position that one may be in the North Atlantic and the other in Asia.

PLAwatcher12 said:

supporting the government doesn’t mean your not a civilian

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Opposing occupation doesn't mean you are a terrorist. By your reasoning, "it is horrible IJA killed a few million Chinese civilians, but it was okay because they were hunting CCP terrorists."

GulfLander said:

Curious what lran reaction abt this, they hav given rights of the Chambahar Port to lndia, seem by some media as "counterbalancing" gwadar/cpec? lndia and lran also have the central asia route thing.. Will it be affected?

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It's from a Pakistani source, until there's more evidence I'd take it with a grain of salt. I definitely wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be true though.

Sinnavuuty said:

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What is the position of the British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth?

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Fair sized deployment. This doesn't include Air Force aircraft either, which could end up making a sizeable contribution to any air campaign. What airbases does the US have in that region which could be used to strike Iran? I imagine it has to be somewhat limited given that most allies in the area will refuse to hose Air Force jets.

Kich said:

TACO in full effect.

Trump knows he will pay politically if he attacks which has the potential to drag US into another ME war. "Not starting wars" is something he is proud of.

At the same time, Bibi has dragged him into this mess. But Trump really doesn't want to do this.

2 weeks tells me a couple things.

• Time for US carriers and more assets to get into the region.
• Time for Israel to continue to degrade Iran.
• More time to negotiate with Iran and potentially strike a deal.

This move by Trump will win him so much political points at home and cost Bibi points at his home. Brilliant move by Trump if I may say.

Iran should give up their program and focus on improving themselves conventionally. They can't win this foolish war. They should look to what Pakistan has done and go fully into C******* (the country we can't speak off) and Russian military upgrades for the next 4-5 years. Iran has the money to even acquire the J-35s.

Continuing to fight this war is stupid.

Israel won't be able to strike them if they give up the nuclear program. And even more Israel won't be able to do jack sh*t while Iran upgrades its air force with Su-35s and J-35s and other Russian and C****** (the country we can't speak off) AD systems.

The solution to all this is very clear.

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Continuing from this.

Iran can further insulate themselves from future attacks by allowing C**** (the country we can't speak off) to establish military bases or naval ports in Iran. They can even invite Russia if they want to.

I highly doubt this will happen since Iran is very prideful but the possibilities for a stronger Iran are endless. Their leaders just need to start making the right choices; something they haven't so far in anything except their ballistic missile program.

manqiangrexue said:

1. 2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
Gonna ask @sheogorath to elaborate

2. Don't need proof. If they hid a command center under a civilian center before you can morally assume that all of their civilian centers are open game and that's how they operate.

3. Don't need proof. They do it to you so you can do it to them.

For the reasons outlined above, it is absolutely moral and right, to any country that acts as Israel but especially even more to Israel because their own people from the President down to the street sweeper proclaim, "No one is innocent." It's their own words. They're not innocent and they deserve everything dealt to them; they're all guilty from the horse's mouth. Why are you trying to say that they are innocent civilians when they all declare themselves to be guilty?

Oh ok. I guess if you say, "never" enough times, it becomes true LOL. Hey, I have a question: is there peace today between Native Americans and the current American government? How was it achieved? Through peaceful negotiating or through killing so many Native Americans that they just gave up? Live history to prove you wrong even though logic should have done it easily.

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You do need proof and just because isreal kills civilians doesn’t make it morally right and ok for Iran to kill civilians too.

they can say whatever they want to in the eyes of international law their still civilians and still innocent it’s never morally right to kill civilians if you don’t need too even then it’s extremely questionable and not always morally right.

No there isn’t peace between native Americans and the US government, they may not be fighting each other but the majority of natives don’t like the US government one bit.

Sinnavuuty said:

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What is the position of the British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth?

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The UK CSG that was heading to Asia and was training with Indian navy in the Arabian Sea did a 180 and sailed through the Suez Canal heading back into the Med. They were rushing so much that they even left their stranded F-35 in India.

I could be wrong since I got this information from Twitter.

PLAwatcher12 said:

You do need proof and just because isreal kills civilians doesn’t make it morally right and ok for Iran to kill civilians too.

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Looping back. Reread the points above.

1. Don't need proof. If they hid a command center under a civilian center before you can morally assume that all of their civilian centers are open game and that's how they operate.

2. Don't need proof. They do it to you so you can do it to them. Israel is the one going around poking everyone in the eye. Iran is the only one who poked back. And now, instead of blaming Israel for starting it and praising Iran for finally giving Israel a taste of its own medicine, you blame Iran, saying it shouldn't poke Israel in the eye even though Israel did it to Iran because 2 wrongs don't make a right. That's how insane and warped you are. And you're so ignorant on world affairs, you said that Iran should bring it up with the ICC to arrest Netanyahu unaware that that has already been done and the US lawlessly attacked the judges.

3. There are no civilians in Israel. They told everyone that no one is innocent. They said they're all guilty. You can't speak for their innocence.

PLAwatcher12 said:

they can say whatever they want to in the eyes of international law their still civilians and still innocent it’s never morally right to kill civilians if you don’t need too even then it’s extremely questionable and not always morally right.

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1. There is no international law or Israel would never have been allowed to exist, expand, or attack other countries.

2. If they say they're guilty, and you say they're innocent, well, you've got egg on your face, haven't you?

PLAwatcher12 said:

No there isn’t peace between native Americans and the US government, they may not be fighting each other but the majority of natives don’t like the US government one bit.

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"Not liking" is peace. There is no violence. You don't have to like someone to be at peace with them. Iran doesn't have to convince Israelis to like them; they just have to convince them to never attack them again by delivering the most devastating beating of Israel's history or just beating it out of existence, which is best. It works. All of human history shows that it works.

manqiangrexue said:

Looping back. Reread the points above.

1. Don't need proof. If they hid a command center under a civilian center before you can morally assume that all of their civilian centers are open game and that's how they operate.

2. Don't need proof. They do it to you so you can do it to them. Israel is the one going around poking everyone in the eye. Iran is the only one who poked back. And now, instead of blaming Israel for starting it and praising Iran for finally giving Israel a taste of its own medicine, you blame Iran, saying it shouldn't poke Israel in the eye even though Israel did it to Iran because 2 wrongs don't make a right. That's how insane and warped you are.

3. There are no civilians in Israel. They told everyone that no one is innocent. They said they're all guilty. You can't speak for their innocence.

1. There is no international law or Israel would never have been allowed to exist, expand, or attack other countries.

2. If they say you're guilty, and you say they're innocent, well, you've got egg on your face, haven't you?

"Not liking" is peace. There is no violence. You don't have to like someone to be at peace with them. Iran doesn't have to convince Israelis to like them; they just have to convince them to never attack them again by delivering the most devastating beating of Israel's history or just beating it out of existence, which is best. It works. All of human history shows that it works.

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None of what you said is true one bit. You are extremely anti semitic. I understand you hate Jews and don’t want them to exist and them to be wiped out because of their government but you are aware you are calling for genocide of them what makes you an horrible person.