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KYli

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taxiya said:
I have answered article 9 which involves "free will to acquire". A new born baby could not possiblely have "free will" and capable to "acquire". Article 9 only applies to legally responsible adult, don't you agree?

A legal advisor only get his or her money if what he/she said works for their clients. There would not have been so many "American babies" if the advise was false and get the parents in troubles.


Those troubled Chinese are adult. Presenting their foreign passports to Chinese agencies have the effect that they have willing acquired foreign citizenship without officially renouncing Chinese citizenship. That act is a breach of Chinese law, therefor their troubles.

Article 9 is clear that Chinese can't have dual citizenship when the person willingly acquires foreign citizenship.

Article 3, "China does not acknowledge Chinese citizen having dual citizenship". Legally speaking those people are not dual citizens in China's standing point. They were Chinese citizens before legally renounce their Chinese citizenship, immediately from that point of time they are foreign citizens.
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I don't know why you keep arguing with pointless argument. Children under 18 years don't have free will. However, when they become 18 years old, they are an adult now. So they have free will to make a decision if they want to be a Chinese citizen or not. That's why the Chinese government would give them a chance to renounce foreign citizenship and acquire Chinese citizen after 18 years old.
 
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taxiya

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Helius said:
A bit OT, but I have a client from HK whose parents were born and raised in the city but were also British citizens. Since he himself was born in England he's also a British citizen with a bona fide British passport, not the BNO kind.

His business is in Mainland China so he travels between the Mainland and HK all the time. He's a permanent HK resident with a HK ID card and passport that specify he has permanent right of abode (HK doesn't have 'citizenship' per se).

He holds an entry permit card that allows him to travel to China unimpeded and visa-free. He can work and live in any Chinese city as if he's Chinese national, pay his taxes there and is subject to Chinese laws.

He's never been required to present his British passport whenever he enters China from abroad, nor does he need to. All that requires is his HK passport and entry card, and immigration just waves him in.
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That is perfectly alright. His HK premanent residency makes him free to travel into mainland and resides if he want.

Does he have a Hongkong passport? Or you meant UK passport? First of all there is no Hongkong passport. It is PRC (HK SAR) passport. I don't think he can get that one if he is known by HK to hold UK passport.
 
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Helius

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taxiya said:
That is perfectly alright. His HK premanent residency makes him free to travel into mainland and resides if he want.

Does he have a Hongkong passport? Or you meant UK passport? First of all there is no Hongkong passport. It is PRC (HK SAR) passport. I don't think he can get that one if he is known by HK to hold UK passport.
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He has both.

Pretty sure he has the HK SAR passport since that's what's required to issue his China entry card and for him to get through Chinese immigration... that and his HK ID card.

And of course he was never asked to relinquish his British passport despite his dual status as a British citizen and a permanent HK resident.
 
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KYli said:
These guys still don't get it. Unlike the Summer Olympics in 2008 when Beijing wants the world to see China's progress, the Winter Olympics in 2022 is for domestic audience telling people in China we have arrived and we are back at world stage on the top after 150 years of humiliation. What Westerners think and what MSM think is irrelevant.
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Actually both Olympics are meant to show case China to the world. But western media is of course there trying to tarnish China’s image.

There were similar reports about human rights, Tibet, etc.. back in 2008. All of that only stopped after the Sichuan earthquake.
 
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taxiya

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KYli said:
I don't know why you keep arguing with pointless argument. Children under 18 years don't have free will. However, when they become 18 years old, they are an adult now. So they have free will to make a decision if they want to be a Chinese citizen or not. That's why the Chinese government would give them a chance to renounce foreign citizenship and acquire Chinese citizen after 18 years old.
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What is pointless in my argument? We can stop the discussion because it is OT for the thread. But for the subject of Chinese citizenship, correctly understanding texts of the law is why we are still debating.

My keep arguing with you is because of the bold text above. That IMO is not a scenario or provision in the law, is it? Tell me which article said "renounce" and "acquire" or anything to the same effect?
 
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Who is that gorgeous female skater in white next to Bing Dwen Dwen?:)
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wow yes yes yes how did Crang miss her?
 
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OppositeDay

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In any discussion about China and dual citizenship, remember that just like China, US also does not recognize dual citizenship. Helps clearing up what nonrecognition by itself means.
 
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