2022 Olympic Winter Games Beijing

siegecrossbow

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Agreed. Many people on this forum are ABCs like myself or Canadian Chinese so it would be an unfair label to put on Nathan Chen just because he decided to represent the USA team instead of China or express views contrary to mainstream Chinese views. Similarly Eileen Gu isn’t a traitor either because she does that to the USA.

I personally cheer for all Asian American athletes. They break the tiresome stereotype that Asian are nerds who are only good and math and have terrible communication skills.
 

9dashline

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I come across an article about 美宝, American Baby. It is a term about citizenship of Chinese baby born in the US. There was a time when lots of Chinese tried to give birth in the US so the child would have American citizenship by birth. But these Chinese are not and have no intention in being US resident nor giving up their Chinese citizenship. The purpose was to get their child a de facto "dual citizenship". It was a business, probably still is.

The article is to explain the legal implications and explained in detail of the "claiming Chinese citizenship before age 18". It says that there is NO legal text mentioning about 18, claiming, nor is there any requirement to give up US "citizenship" because in Chinese legal perspective there is nothing to give up, the child is always a Chinese citizen. Here are the points and line of the legal reasoning:
  1. Such Child born in the US to a Chinese parent who is not US resident is Chinese citizen according to article 5 of the Citizenship Law.
  2. According to US law, such child is US citizen and would be given US passport.
  3. This effectively make the child a dual citizen.
  4. US law does not reject nor approve dual citizenship, meaning US simply ignore the other citizenship.
  5. Chinese law reject the US "citizenship" according to article 3 if the person is a Chinese citizen. The text is "中华人民共和国不承认中国公民具有双重国籍。" This text is strictly translated to "PRC does not acknowledge that Chinese citizen has dual citizenship". It still recognize the person as full Chinese, but only reject the other citizenship as void and null. It does not revoke such person's Chinese citizenship.
  6. No practical implication would occur until this child is going cross the Chinese border. At this moment, the child must have a travel document. If the child uses US passport, it amounts (for China) to formally acknowledge the US citizenship therefor the person will loose the Chinese citizenship automatically. To avoid that, the person is issued a travel document by Chinese embassy. The child will use it to enter China as a Chinese citizen. It is equivalent to Taiwan Compatriot certificate avoiding acknowledging ROC passport.
  7. This travel document will expire at 00:00:01 of the 18th birth day, and will not be renewed.
  8. From this time on, the person can only enter into China with either a Chinese passport, or a US passport with a Chinese visa.
  9. From this time on, if the person ever used a US passport to enter China, that person is legally American citizen in China's legal perspective.
  10. However, if the person does not travel to China since that time, the person is still Chinese regardless what he/she does with their American passport anywhere in the rest of the world.
  11. After that time, the person will need to apply for a Chinese passport at the embassy if the person want to enter China without loosing the Chinese citizenship.
To summarize:
  1. The person is always Chinese citizen if he/she fulfils article 5.
  2. The American passport, citizenship has no legal bearing to the status of the person's Chinese citizenship.
  3. The person does NOT need to renounce his/her US citizenship, nor does China need any proof of it, because US citizenship was NEVER valid to begin with. Also because all those matters are beyond China's jurisdiction.
  4. The only practical action is the person must acquire Chinese passport for travelling into China after reaching age 18.
There are lots of people including reporters in news conference asking the question whether Gu Ailing has renounced her US citizenship. The question is irrelevant to begin with, therefor Gu Ailing did not give a straight answer because both "yes" and "no" implies that US citizenship is legally valid in the first place but it is not. The only straight answer is equal as saying "I never accepted US citizenship, but US government just throw it on me".

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A similar situation happened many years ago. A Chinese Uighur fugitive acquired Canadian citizenship was arrested in central Asia and deported back to China. China rejected Canada's demand for consular assistance because China regards this person as Chinese, Canadian passport meant nothing. The argument is that a Chinese person can only practically become a foreigner after he/she promptly renounce the Chinese citizenship, before that moment the foreign citizenship is null.

In both cases, the west is trying to make it like China is bending its own law for political gains, but the truth is that China is strictly enforcing the law.
Maybe this is what she meant by saying when she is in China she is Chinese but when in America she is American....
 

AssassinsMace

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It simply comes down to the American alt-right who are today dictating political discourse in the US hate any women who speaks their minds. The alt-right has an obsession against actress Brie Larson on the internet because she apparently speaks her mind. I see all sorts of YouTube channels with alt-right voices like they were given orders to troll her because they all say the same things like they were given talking points. Now they're going after Eileen Gu for the moment because she's a US model and she doesn't play the role of a geisha and speaks her mind. Also ironically because she's part white, they think she's their property and she voluntarily represented China...?

In the early days of Hollywood there was a movie called Broken Blossom. Basically the plot involved an insidious Chinese man who seduced a white woman from her white husband who then eventually killed himself from being distraught over it. When that happened in the movie, an audience stormed out of a theater in Los Angeles, marched down to Chinatown, and killed Chinese and burned down buildings. A similar mindset is going on with Eileen Gu. When a white woman goes out with a black man, white men see that and say what's wrong with me because they feel insecure with their masculinity. When a white woman goes out with an Asian man, white men say what's wrong with her because Asian men are not seen as masculine. Society says women are suppose to go for masculinity hence why one happens more than the other. The West is going after Eileen Gu because they're in bewilderment over her choice of country to represent. It must even make them even more angry because all they got was Nathan Chen someone who is an Asian male and in a sport that is seen the opposite of masculine.
 

Mcsweeney

Junior Member
Agreed. Many people on this forum are ABCs like myself or Canadian Chinese so it would be an unfair label to put on Nathan Chen just because he decided to represent the USA team instead of China or express views contrary to mainstream Chinese views. Similarly Eileen Gu isn’t a traitor either because she does that to the USA.

Nah, there's no issue with calling Nathan Chen a traitor. He repeated false BS in a desperate attempt to fit in and ingratiate himself to his white masters. Just as ignorance of the law is no excuse for committing a crime, it's no excuse that he doesn't know any better because he chose to believe American propaganda without questioning it.
 

taxiya

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Maybe this is what she meant by saying when she is in China she is Chinese but when in America she is American....
Your interpretation is that she was talking in a legal sense. That could be true. But it can also be true that she was talking metaphorically that Chinese and American are her cultural characters and heritage (ethnic).

It is a smart answer. But if I were her I would not confirm any interpretation in a legal sense because that would lead someone in the west to frame her and Chinese government into a legal corner of breaching the Chinese law.
 

9dashline

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Nah, there's no issue with calling Nathan Chen a traitor. He repeated false BS in a desperate attempt to fit in and ingratiate himself to his white masters. Just as ignorance of the law is no excuse for committing a crime, it's no excuse that he doesn't know any better because he chose to believe American propaganda without questioning it.
So Nathan Chen was born in the US and has US passport etc so he is definitely not a traitor in the legal sense. I probably should have qualified my remarks to emphasize that he is a metaphorical/figurative "race traitor"... in that he betrayed his ancestry to get Gold and glory for a geopolitical enemy that has vowed for the destruction of China on all levels...

In this Winter Olympics it is the US and Western media that has hyped up this race thing from the get-go with calling Gu a traitor etc etc that "defected" back to her motherland... the US politicalized these games from the very beginning and is still going all out in its propaganda war, even publicly openly bragging about its 500 million anti-China disinfo budget etc...

Had Gu gotten gold for the USA instead of China, no one could really call her a race traitor because she is white as well as Chinese... Nathan Chen is genetically 100% Chinese yet has gotten Gold for the US while still towing the "SeeSeePee genocide" narrative hook, line and sinker.

Most of Conservative America now believes the whole "melting pot" was a failed experiment, and that at the end of the day when push comes to shove, racial differences rise to the forefront above the abstract concepts of "national citizenship" or what it says on your passport etc... So perhaps going forward the concept of being a "race traitor" will become more salient than the legal definition
 

taxiya

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Registered Member
Agreed. Many people on this forum are ABCs like myself or Canadian Chinese so it would be an unfair label to put on Nathan Chen just because he decided to represent the USA team instead of China or express views contrary to mainstream Chinese views. Similarly Eileen Gu isn’t a traitor either because she does that to the USA.
I don't think that is the reason. The original Bloomberg article stated the reason for his treatment. Then Bloomberg (as always) spin the matter into "Chinese hate American Chinese" instead of "Chinese hate American bigots regardless of skin color". If Chinese is angry of Enes Freeman, why is it a problem with Nathan Chen? Being of Chinese heritage is not an excuse of bigotry. Being a vulnerable minority is not an excuse for hurting other people.

IMO, labelling him as a traitor of China is wrong because he is probably never a Chinese citizen (born ten years after his parents moved to US, who are certainly residents, probably citizens already). He did not choose to represent USA, he could not and China does not want him to represent China. He is just a bigot like Trump. It is Bloomberg desperately making a scene out of nothing.
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Besides, you don't need to feel bad about being ABC and should not automatically feel sympathy to people like Nathan Chen. ABC is not an original sin, only what people do and say matters.
 
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